Mongoose vs Battlemaster
Both the Mongoose and the Battlemaster enchant represent a significant investment in materials and you are likely faced with this dilemma about the same time you acquire a weapon like [item]Fireguard[/item], [item]The Sun Eater[/item], [item]King's Defender[/item], or even [item]Grom'tor's Charge[/item].
Mongoose
Causes a Melee Weapon to occasionally increase Agility by 120 and attack speed slightly.
- 6x Void Crystals
- 10x Large Prismatic Shard
- 8x Greater Planar Essence
- 40x Arcane Dust
How often does it proc?
A lot - around 4 PPM (Procs per Minute)
Edit: This has been reported to actually be closer to 1.3 PPM. This does not change the findings of this post at all though.
Is the affect useful?
Absolutely. The increase in Agility represents roughly speaking a 4% increase in Critical Strike chance, a 4% increase in chance to Dodge, and an additional 240 Armor. The extra Haste Rating is rather insignificantly, but nice nonetheless.
Battlemaster
Gives a chance on striking to heal your party of 180 to 300 damage.
- 2x Void Crystal
- 8x Large Prismatic Shard
- 8x Primal Water
How often does it proc?
Not very much - around 1 PPM (Procs per Minute)
Is the affect useful?
Moderately useful. The range on the healing affect is massive and the heal does give you some free threat generation for each party member that actually needed the heal.
So which one is Better?
Mongoose is significantly better. It’s affect is not only very strong, but it happens a lot. Battlemaster on the other hand is quite the opposite procing very little and having a rather unexciting affect. In fact, if you can’t afford Mongoose, but can afford Battlemaster I’d suggest not to go with Battlemaster and instead enchant your weapon with 15 Agility.
For reference sake:
15 Agility
- 6x Large Brilliant Shard
- 6x Greater Eternal Essence
- 4x Illusion Dust
- 2x Essence of Air
December 1st, 2007 at 1:18 pm
How about the new Adamantite Weapon Chain? 15 parry rating (or roughly 0.65%) for avoidance and the inherent 20 to 50% faster on your next swing seems like a better tanking enchant to me. Comparing it to a “chance” to get 4% extra dodge, 3.63% to crit, and slightly increase attack speed that is. Any chance for some # crunching or a comparison?
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December 1st, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Mongoose may still be a “chance” to proc, but it’s a very high chance. And the effect lasts for 12 seconds, which is a pretty long time and a lot of the time allows it to chain proc itself for a continued effect.
Without crunching any numbers, it just seems like 15 parry is so miniscule to even matter. Like over the course of a minute, you MIGHT get an extra parry from it, which is just avoiding one attack and quickening one of your own little attacks.
Whereas Mongoose is about 4 procs per minute, which gives you the plethera of bonuses for some length of time. It doesn’t quicken 1 attack. It quickens every single one until the buff wears off. Also, the 125 agi adds some armor, however small amount it may be.
To me, there really isn’t any argument here. Mongoose is by far the best tanking enchant for a weapon. It just seems like Blizz threw that parry rating on there to make the adamantite one be a little more useful than the steel one. Because if they were equal, I’d just spend my 20 silver and get the steel one made…
(But here’s a topic up for discussion maybe… Executioner for threat?)
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December 1st, 2007 at 8:53 pm
I haven’t really looked much into Executioner, but with the change to Devastate so you’re pretty much doing damage with every major threat move, it has potential for Auto, Revenge, Devastate and Heroic Strike to ignore armor. I highly doubt it’ll apply to Shield Slam and Shield Bash, but that would make it a real gem.
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January 3rd, 2008 at 12:42 am
hrm.. i was looking into this today. I’m trying to decide btwn mongoose and executioner for my sun eater that i picked up recently. Mongoose seems like an obvious choice, but executioner seems to build more threat quicker (at least it seemed like it did when the MT for our guild got his epic and was spamming his devastates). It seemed mighty useful if you could build up the threat so DPS won’t be looking over their shoulders as much when they start nuking away. I guess I’d like to know how much mongoose procs compared to executioner and when it procs, how useful is it? Maybe i’ll do a field test and get mongoose anyways and compare it when we get to moroes and fight for aggro. First things first however. I need to farm mats and buy void crystals….
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January 3rd, 2008 at 1:01 am
Mongoose and Executioner have been found to have relatively the same PPM. While Executioner seems to result in a good amount more threat than Mongoose, I still prefer to use Mongoose on my tanking weapons. Mongoose acts as a solid Threat enchant as well as offering a strong Mitigation and Avoidance boost too. Mongoose really is the complete tanking package and while I certainly wouldn’t look down upon a tank using Executioner, this tank will be sticking with the tried and tested Mongoose enchant.
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January 3rd, 2008 at 8:01 am
being a lucky bugger i have three weapons which i use for tanking in different situations and i have enchanted all three differently to get the most out of them.
for pure threat fights where i’m racing against the 1800dps rogues i use my Swiftsteel Bludgeon with the Executioner enchant on.
for all-round tanking where i want to maintain a nice level of TPS, but also ensure my avoidance / mitigation is at a good level, i use my Mallet of Tides with the trusty Mongoose enchant.
and for those rare pure mitigation encounters where the DPS is distracted by other mobs, and i have a chance to build up some threat before they kick-in, i use The Unbreakable Will with +20 Agi enchanted on it.
the Swiftsteel is really a ‘nice to have’ and Mallet + Mongoose suffice in its place. for those of you still in t4 / kara content and want to have situational weapons i would suggest slapping Mongoose on King’s Defender (or Mallet if you have ventured into Lurker grounds) and +20 Agi on Sun Eater. Both are fairly easy to get hold of and very nice weapons which will see you well into T5 content.
HTH
- DW
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January 3rd, 2008 at 8:34 am
I think goose has a better ppm, but I don’t know that anyone’s really nailed down Exe’s ppm yet. Exe’s better threat, goose is probably better overall.
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January 3rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
i guess now that i think about it, avoiding armor (executioner) means more damage in a nutshell? so if that is true, then threat will build quicker. If goose procs, then you get agility increase which helps everything agility is supposed to help which is crit strike, armor, etc. This leads me to the conclusion that mongoose is a better overall enchant for me. It might be less expensive than executioner to boot.
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January 4th, 2008 at 4:15 am
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May 22nd, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I have The Sun Eater, btu my guild have jsut started on Kara, and since im MT ill get it prio.
Is it worth getting Mongoose on The Sun Eater if i get Kings defender the next day?
Its a lot og gold, and its a lot of time farming…
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May 22nd, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Well, if you think ALL your tanking gear will drop for you on your first run, why enchant anything? It’s for you to decide to spend the money on what you already have, or wait for something that may not drop for a long time.
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May 23rd, 2008 at 5:32 am
Kings defender, for me, took months and months to drop. I started running Kara with my guild back in September or October of last year and didn’t get KD until last month. Don’t count on it dropping.
Also, I had quickening blade of the prince from MgT (a better threat weapon) before I had KD. That should give you an idea.
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May 30th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Yeah, more than a year of Karazhan runs every week and my warrior still doesn’t have KD. My priest has sharded it four times though. At this point, I don’t even think I’d take it unless I was really the only that could use it at all. With Mallet of the Tides/executioner and The Unbreakable Will/mongoose I’m not sure I’d ever use KD anymore. I might try dropping a different enchant on it just to experiment, but it would mostly be collecting dust in my banks or bank.
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June 18th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Im abit confused here i have the quickening blade with a executioner enchant and the sun eater with mongoose, and i just got the mallet of the tides…what i need to know now is this what should i enchant my mallet with executioner or mongoose i see some of u say mallet should be mongoose and others say executioner….any chance of a help here?
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