Comments on: When can I start tanking Karazhan? http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/ A guide to tanking as a warrior in world of warcraft Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:16:56 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Tankette http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-4107 Tankette Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:28:30 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-4107 Defense makes you uncrittable at 490 but continues to add to your avoidance (dodge, parry and block) after 490. Resilience does help make you uncritable but doesn't do anything for your avoidance, thus you will take more damage if you are using resilience to make you uncrittable. Our guild has brought several tanks into Kara that used resilience to be uncrittable and its not a problem until you get to Prince and/or Nightbane. Defense makes you uncrittable at 490 but continues to add to your avoidance (dodge, parry and block) after 490. Resilience does help make you uncritable but doesn’t do anything for your avoidance, thus you will take more damage if you are using resilience to make you uncrittable.

Our guild has brought several tanks into Kara that used resilience to be uncrittable and its not a problem until you get to Prince and/or Nightbane.

]]> By: Arvernien http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-4106 Arvernien Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:21:59 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-4106 Reaching uncrittable with a defense score of 490 also gives you additional chance to be missed, to dodge, to parry and to block. Resiliance does not modify anything other than chance to be crit and damage taken when crit. Additional defense skill is very valuable because it continues to add to your avoidance (miss, dodge, and parry) and mitigation (block). As you get items with more defense you can swap in items with just dodge, block rating and block value or more armor and stamina. These changes increase your survivability and make things easier on the healers. As hit rating, expertise rating, and block value (increases shield slam damage) increase your threat generation increases which allows the DPSers to do more damage. Reaching uncrittable with a defense score of 490 also gives you additional chance to be missed, to dodge, to parry and to block. Resiliance does not modify anything other than chance to be crit and damage taken when crit.

Additional defense skill is very valuable because it continues to add to your avoidance (miss, dodge, and parry) and mitigation (block). As you get items with more defense you can swap in items with just dodge, block rating and block value or more armor and stamina. These changes increase your survivability and make things easier on the healers. As hit rating, expertise rating, and block value (increases shield slam damage) increase your threat generation increases which allows the DPSers to do more damage.

]]> By: Dunkealme http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-4103 Dunkealme Mon, 22 Sep 2008 19:08:04 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-4103 I know this is an old thread but I wanted to get some explanation on the 490 defense. I know that 490 defense give you uncrittability, but a good defense rating and a high resiliance rating can give you the same uncrittability, right? So to say that 490 defense capped could be wrong, and instead the requirement would be: uncrittable. With that said, I know that everyone wants 490 defense instead. But why? What is the real difference between being capped with defense and being uncrittable? I know this is an old thread but I wanted to get some explanation on the 490 defense.
I know that 490 defense give you uncrittability, but a good defense rating and a high resiliance rating can give you the same uncrittability, right?
So to say that 490 defense capped could be wrong, and instead the requirement would be: uncrittable.

With that said, I know that everyone wants 490 defense instead. But why? What is the real difference between being capped with defense and being uncrittable?

]]> By: Khrushchev http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-3039 Khrushchev Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:11:57 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-3039 Man, those are some crazy numbers. My health has always been pretty consistent with my armor. Like right now (not even started Kara yet) I'm at 14k health and 14.1k armor. Pretty high for starting Kara, but I've ended up going with a few high stam/armor pieces with low or no defense on them and just making it up through gems and enchants. Man, those are some crazy numbers. My health has always been pretty consistent with my armor. Like right now (not even started Kara yet) I’m at 14k health and 14.1k armor. Pretty high for starting Kara, but I’ve ended up going with a few high stam/armor pieces with low or no defense on them and just making it up through gems and enchants.

]]> By: Frozen http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-3031 Frozen Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:28:17 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-3031 well i started on kara and got stuck in mt position when i was geared for ot. 11844hp, 490 defense, and 14073 armor. i managed to down prince, thank you healers! i had 400k threat at the end of the fight :) well i started on kara and got stuck in mt position when i was geared for ot. 11844hp, 490 defense, and 14073 armor. i managed to down prince, thank you healers! i had 400k threat at the end of the fight :)

]]> By: Dreadly http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-3002 Dreadly Fri, 11 Jul 2008 23:49:33 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-3002 Omaran, that just isn't true. Healers are important sure but the entire Raid's DPS potential is dependent upon your tanks gear and their TPS. Even bosses that are not a straight up timed Raid DPS gearcheck (Gruul) are significantly easier if the Raid can full out DPS. Omaran, that just isn’t true. Healers are important sure but the entire Raid’s DPS potential is dependent upon your tanks gear and their TPS. Even bosses that are not a straight up timed Raid DPS gearcheck (Gruul) are significantly easier if the Raid can full out DPS.

]]> By: Omaran http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-2963 Omaran Sun, 06 Jul 2008 09:21:15 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-2963 As long as the tank has 490 defense and is not getting 2 shot (and isnt a total moron) then progression when you start raiding is solely dependent on your healers IMO. If you have kick ass healers then you can pretty much have anyone tanking As long as the tank has 490 defense and is not getting 2 shot (and isnt a total moron) then progression when you start raiding is solely dependent on your healers IMO. If you have kick ass healers then you can pretty much have anyone tanking

]]> By: Peegee http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-769 Peegee Sun, 06 Jan 2008 08:36:32 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-769 That's why you have to 1) trust your tank to not leave and 2) gear up two tanks. A tank that leaves a guild for a 'better' guild is an ass imo That’s why you have to 1) trust your tank to not leave and 2) gear up two tanks.

A tank that leaves a guild for a ‘better’ guild is an ass imo

]]> By: tame http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-611 tame Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:55:15 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-611 only problem is that if you only gear up 1 viable tank, and your not no#1 guild on your server boss killing wise, they tend to abandon you the moment they have 4 set peices or that special bit of armor etc. Happened 3 times in 3 different guilds for me >_ only problem is that if you only gear up 1 viable tank, and your not no#1 guild on your server boss killing wise, they tend to abandon you the moment they have 4 set peices or that special bit of armor etc.

Happened 3 times in 3 different guilds for me >_

]]> By: Hao http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-599 Hao Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:26:24 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/17/when-can-i-start-tanking-karazhan/#comment-599 I guess i think about it this way. The better the tank is geared, the more mana the healers save. I guess i think about it this way. The better the tank is geared, the more mana the healers save.

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