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	<title>Comments on: Attack of the Invisible Sunders</title>
	<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/</link>
	<description>A guide to tanking as a warrior in world of warcraft</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Khrushchev</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-2975</link>
		<author>Khrushchev</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-2975</guid>
		<description>It does work with devastate, but I prefer a mouseover devastate macro like this:

/cast [target=mouseover,harm,nodead] [] Devastate

The empty brackets cause the Devastate to hit your current target if the mouseover conditions are not met, so when you want to apply devastate to your main target, just don't mouseover anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does work with devastate, but I prefer a mouseover devastate macro like this:</p>
<p>/cast [target=mouseover,harm,nodead] [] Devastate</p>
<p>The empty brackets cause the Devastate to hit your current target if the mouseover conditions are not met, so when you want to apply devastate to your main target, just don&#8217;t mouseover anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Frozen</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-2959</link>
		<author>Frozen</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-2959</guid>
		<description>can you use this with devestate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can you use this with devestate?</p>
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		<title>By: Sera</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-2383</link>
		<author>Sera</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 22:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-2383</guid>
		<description>Hope its not off-topic, but was wondering how u guys deal with mobs like Elementalist and Spiritbinder at Shade Of Akama fight.

Been using this spam macro

/startattack
/target Ashtongue Elementalist
/cast Devastate(Rank..)
/target Ashtongue Spriritbinder
/cast Heroic Strike(Rank..)
/cast Devastate(Rank..)

Its not really an efficient macro, and have giving me trouble applying sunders too a 3rd target ( for exampel tanking 2 weapons at kael fight, then been unable too apply sunders on sanguinar after the weapons are down)

So just wanna ask how u guys deal with encounters, where the tempo demands fast add-control and where factors like
(1)Slow computer
(2)Slower reactions as u get older (is 25 old ?)
(3)
makes u loose one add who thereby one shots a healer, dps.

Ive done so and so, always been able too adapt, but I dont see many topics about addcontrol for OT, which I do miss sometimes, being a solid OT for our guild.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope its not off-topic, but was wondering how u guys deal with mobs like Elementalist and Spiritbinder at Shade Of Akama fight.</p>
<p>Been using this spam macro</p>
<p>/startattack<br />
/target Ashtongue Elementalist<br />
/cast Devastate(Rank..)<br />
/target Ashtongue Spriritbinder<br />
/cast Heroic Strike(Rank..)<br />
/cast Devastate(Rank..)</p>
<p>Its not really an efficient macro, and have giving me trouble applying sunders too a 3rd target ( for exampel tanking 2 weapons at kael fight, then been unable too apply sunders on sanguinar after the weapons are down)</p>
<p>So just wanna ask how u guys deal with encounters, where the tempo demands fast add-control and where factors like<br />
(1)Slow computer<br />
(2)Slower reactions as u get older (is 25 old ?)<br />
(3)<br />
makes u loose one add who thereby one shots a healer, dps.</p>
<p>Ive done so and so, always been able too adapt, but I dont see many topics about addcontrol for OT, which I do miss sometimes, being a solid OT for our guild.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-1918</link>
		<author>admin</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 23:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-1918</guid>
		<description>@Thorek:
That is old information, but I've approved it nonetheless in hopes that people will read my follow up comment.

Devastate now applies it's own innate threat as well as Sunder Armors while applies a Sunder Armor to the target. The result is you can basically remove Sunder Armor from your action bar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Thorek:<br />
That is old information, but I&#8217;ve approved it nonetheless in hopes that people will read my follow up comment.</p>
<p>Devastate now applies it&#8217;s own innate threat as well as Sunder Armors while applies a Sunder Armor to the target. The result is you can basically remove Sunder Armor from your action bar.</p>
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		<title>By: Thorek</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-1909</link>
		<author>Thorek</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 08:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-1909</guid>
		<description>Threat values for abilities at Level 70:
Shield Slam _________________________   307
Revenge _____________________________   200
Sunder Armor ________________________   301
Heroic Strike _______________________   196
Cleave ______________________________   130 (Split)
Mocking Blow ________________________   290
Demoralizing Shout __________________    56 (Split)
Battleshout _________________________    69 (Split)
Commanding Shout ____________________    68 (Split)
Disarm_______________________________   104
Hamstring ___________________________   181
Whirlwind ____________________  100% Damage (Unaffected by Stance Multiplier)
Execute ______________________  100% Damage (Unaffected by Stance Multiplier)
Thunderclap __________________  175% Damage
Spell Reflect ________________  100% Damage
Devastate Threat Per Current Sunder Armor Application
0: 119
1: 134
2: 148
3: 162
4: 176
source:http://www.tankspot.com/forums/tankspot-library/31941-fortifications-warrior-reference-guide.html

finally, it would be nonsense to remove sunder armor itself from action bars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Threat values for abilities at Level 70:<br />
Shield Slam _________________________   307<br />
Revenge _____________________________   200<br />
Sunder Armor ________________________   301<br />
Heroic Strike _______________________   196<br />
Cleave ______________________________   130 (Split)<br />
Mocking Blow ________________________   290<br />
Demoralizing Shout __________________    56 (Split)<br />
Battleshout _________________________    69 (Split)<br />
Commanding Shout ____________________    68 (Split)<br />
Disarm_______________________________   104<br />
Hamstring ___________________________   181<br />
Whirlwind ____________________  100% Damage (Unaffected by Stance Multiplier)<br />
Execute ______________________  100% Damage (Unaffected by Stance Multiplier)<br />
Thunderclap __________________  175% Damage<br />
Spell Reflect ________________  100% Damage<br />
Devastate Threat Per Current Sunder Armor Application<br />
0: 119<br />
1: 134<br />
2: 148<br />
3: 162<br />
4: 176<br />
source:http://www.tankspot.com/forums/tankspot-library/31941-fortifications-warrior-reference-guide.html</p>
<p>finally, it would be nonsense to remove sunder armor itself from action bars.</p>
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		<title>By: Jothay</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-1308</link>
		<author>Jothay</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 10:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-1308</guid>
		<description>Here's a better one, I have this labeled as "Sunder Other".

#showtooltip
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,harm] Sunder Armor; Sunder Armor

What this does is allow the player to hold one target to spam all his normal items (Revenge, Shield Slam, etc) without switching off it. The player then rotates the positioning of his mouse on screen over the additional mobs and spams their hotkey for it (I have mine in position 3 for easy spamming). The sunders are applied to the target so long as the UI can determine that the mouse is positioned over an enemy mob (even the active target). I've had much success in the use of this macro in situations where's there is little or no crowd control so long as everyone focus's DPS on your main target, just bounce the mouse on the targets that need sundering and you will see the purple effect go off.

This is best when tanking 2-3 mobs (at 4+ the mobs tend to overlap on screen and it's harder for the mouse to figure out which one you want sundered).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a better one, I have this labeled as &#8220;Sunder Other&#8221;.</p>
<p>#showtooltip<br />
/cast [target=mouseover,exists,harm] Sunder Armor; Sunder Armor</p>
<p>What this does is allow the player to hold one target to spam all his normal items (Revenge, Shield Slam, etc) without switching off it. The player then rotates the positioning of his mouse on screen over the additional mobs and spams their hotkey for it (I have mine in position 3 for easy spamming). The sunders are applied to the target so long as the UI can determine that the mouse is positioned over an enemy mob (even the active target). I&#8217;ve had much success in the use of this macro in situations where&#8217;s there is little or no crowd control so long as everyone focus&#8217;s DPS on your main target, just bounce the mouse on the targets that need sundering and you will see the purple effect go off.</p>
<p>This is best when tanking 2-3 mobs (at 4+ the mobs tend to overlap on screen and it&#8217;s harder for the mouse to figure out which one you want sundered).</p>
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		<title>By: tehr</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-675</link>
		<author>tehr</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 08:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-675</guid>
		<description>personally i use a 
#showtooltip
/cast [button:1,target=target] Sunder Armor; [button:2,target=focus] Sunder Armor

all my single target attacks are set up like that. allows me to do 2 things

1) say it's 2 mobs that die pretty fast, i throw instant high threats at the first kill target (shield slam/revenge) and throw the escalating threat ability (sunder) on the second kill target, so it actually gets a chance to stack before the mob dies. Allows for a higher total threat generation on the two mobs.

2) say i have a target and a sheep (that i focus)... i put most of my effort into the kill target, but throw an occasional sunder on the sheep. note that white attacks are going to the kill target, so just the sunder goes to the sheep without breaking it, and when the kill target dies, you have a 5 sundered sheep that's really pissed at you ready for you to break (especially if you throw a similar style [target=focus]taunt it's way before you begin the sunders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>personally i use a<br />
#showtooltip<br />
/cast [button:1,target=target] Sunder Armor; [button:2,target=focus] Sunder Armor</p>
<p>all my single target attacks are set up like that. allows me to do 2 things</p>
<p>1) say it&#8217;s 2 mobs that die pretty fast, i throw instant high threats at the first kill target (shield slam/revenge) and throw the escalating threat ability (sunder) on the second kill target, so it actually gets a chance to stack before the mob dies. Allows for a higher total threat generation on the two mobs.</p>
<p>2) say i have a target and a sheep (that i focus)&#8230; i put most of my effort into the kill target, but throw an occasional sunder on the sheep. note that white attacks are going to the kill target, so just the sunder goes to the sheep without breaking it, and when the kill target dies, you have a 5 sundered sheep that&#8217;s really pissed at you ready for you to break (especially if you throw a similar style [target=focus]taunt it&#8217;s way before you begin the sunders.</p>
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		<title>By: Firestar</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-270</link>
		<author>Firestar</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-270</guid>
		<description>I like the way Mezmerise is doing it and want to give it a shot. Is there, however, a way to write the macro so that it will check if the you have your mouse over a target and if not, just do whatever ability you clicked on, on your target?

So, if you have your mouse over an enemy target, then it does the ability to that mouse over'd target. Otherwise, if the target that your mouse is over, is friendly, or if not target is detected, it will just sunder/devastate/whatever your current target?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the way Mezmerise is doing it and want to give it a shot. Is there, however, a way to write the macro so that it will check if the you have your mouse over a target and if not, just do whatever ability you clicked on, on your target?</p>
<p>So, if you have your mouse over an enemy target, then it does the ability to that mouse over&#8217;d target. Otherwise, if the target that your mouse is over, is friendly, or if not target is detected, it will just sunder/devastate/whatever your current target?</p>
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		<title>By: Whyrm</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-181</link>
		<author>Whyrm</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-181</guid>
		<description>Use focus instead. A much better way to tank a second target. BUT - you have to assign focus in advance.

Make 4 macros:

/Focus target

/cast [target=focus] sunder armor

/cast [target=focus] shield slam

/cast [target=focus] shield bash

This way you easily hold 2 mobs without any problem and never switching target. The focus is kinda a second target system. 
And with the first macro, setting a new focus is only a click away.

And with the Shield bash you can even interrupt 2nd mobs spells. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Use focus instead. A much better way to tank a second target. BUT - you have to assign focus in advance.</p>
<p>Make 4 macros:</p>
<p>/Focus target</p>
<p>/cast [target=focus] sunder armor</p>
<p>/cast [target=focus] shield slam</p>
<p>/cast [target=focus] shield bash</p>
<p>This way you easily hold 2 mobs without any problem and never switching target. The focus is kinda a second target system.<br />
And with the first macro, setting a new focus is only a click away.</p>
<p>And with the Shield bash you can even interrupt 2nd mobs spells. <img src='http://www.tankingtips.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Suggernaut</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-174</link>
		<author>Suggernaut</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 22:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/07/31/attack-of-the-invisible-sunders/#comment-174</guid>
		<description>Heyo!

I loved all the macros on this site except for this one.  The explanation of this macro sounds juicy indeed.  After trying a couple copy pastes on this macro, and testing it out, I keep getting errors.  Anyone able to report if this macro is still working for them?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heyo!</p>
<p>I loved all the macros on this site except for this one.  The explanation of this macro sounds juicy indeed.  After trying a couple copy pastes on this macro, and testing it out, I keep getting errors.  Anyone able to report if this macro is still working for them?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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