Comments on: Improved Defensive Stance… worth it?

By: MadTanker

MadTanker — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:06:46 +0000

again old post, but IMP Def stance is about migating MAGIC dmg, as a tnak your well armed for melee fights already, but you have no def from MAGIC dmg, IMP Def stance is about migianting MAGIC dmg.

By: MadTanker

MadTanker — Wed, 01 Oct 2008 20:02:48 +0000

this old, but just incase anyone reads it, Max is confusing resist, and reduction.
“1. IS 5.4% magic resist really worth 3 points?”
5.4% magic resist is nothing, a small chance the spell is resisted.
5.4% magic dmg REDUCTION with boss cast crits can be massive.

By: Zakalwe

Zakalwe — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:32:01 +0000

That’s just utterly wrong. Spells and specials (yellow attacks) are not the same, and Imp. Defensive only reduces spell damage.

By: Warmwoods

Warmwoods — Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:07:08 +0000

I recently joined a guild on the Shu’halo server, and I’m essentially starting from the bottom, and our Warrior class leader is a good player, and an even greater warrior, but I’m not sure he knows so much about tanking. He basically is telling me that Imp. Defensive Stance is a ‘must-have’ for any MT’ing Warrior, as it not only reduces magic damage taken, but also yellow damage? Is this completely false, or is it just me? I consider myself a very knowledgable tank, I’ve read most guides out there, and post/read TankSpot.com on a daily basis, but this just doesn’t seem reasonable. I was under the impression that bosses don’t do yellow damage, or barely do.

Also, our MT just plain doesn’t know how to spec. She takes 3/3 Imp Defensive Stance over 3/3 Shield Mastery, and instead only puts (1) point in Shield Mastery. Not to mention I sometimes double her TPS (I’ve pulled aggro off of her in most encounters). Too bad they’ll never let me MT a fight (Our gear is basically the same, where as she has T5 shoulders) because I’m not a guild veteran. *Sigh* OT’ing woes.

By: Awesomeorc

Awesomeorc — Sat, 08 Mar 2008 18:08:37 +0000

Mr. Sunstrider said PYRO BOOM

By: e

Sat, 23 Feb 2008 09:28:22 +0000

This talent is always worth it, really. It’s not the question about how good it is on it’s own, it’s about how good it is when you add everything up. 15.4% less spelldamage taken, along with your melee defensive skills, adds up to an impressive total.

“Even if you resisted 5% of a 3000-5000dmg spell

By: anonimous

anonimous — Thu, 10 Jan 2008 14:49:15 +0000

It is 6% incoming spell dmg reduction what it gives, not 5.4%

Lets say someone does 1000 spelldmg. Normally (without the talent) in defensive stance you would get 900 dmg.
With the talent you get 846 dmg, so that is 54 less dmg.

54 is 6% of 900 (the damage you would get without the talent). So the talent gives you 6% less incoming spell damage.

By: Kavel

Kavel — Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:15:25 +0000

To better survive melee damage, pretty much every raid tank build will have:

- 5 points in Deflection for 5% parry
- 3 points in Imp T-clap for the added 10% attack speed reduction
- 5 points in Anticipation for ~2.4% avoidance, .8% block
- 5 points in Toughness for ~1500 armor
- 3 points in Shield Mastery for ~150 block value
- 5 points in Vitality for 5% stamina (as a Tauren, ~600HP I guess?)

To better survive magic damage, pretty much every raid tank build will have:

- 5 points in Vitality for 5% stamina (as a Tauren, ~600HP I guess?)

In my opinion, talents are already weighted towards reducing melee damage enough. 3 points in Imp Defensive Stance for 6% (or even 5.4%) damage reduction is a respectable return for your points. Maybe it’s not ZOMGOP, but it’s far from dismissable. I think this talent gets a bad rap because it’s one of those talents you don’t consider until after you’ve already spent all but about 5 of your points. It becomes “Is this worth 3 of my last 5 points” rather than “is this worth 3 of my 61 points.”

By: Toibaobao

Toibaobao — Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:55:36 +0000

This talent is for fights where tank receives spell damage but can’t afford to gimp his/her stats with resistance gear. Sure 200 resistance is better then this talent but you can’t really have your main tank on Kael in fire resistance gear =) Kael fight is also one in which tank, if he survives, is literally left with few hundred hit points so every little bit matters.

By: Elven

Elven — Wed, 17 Oct 2007 00:36:26 +0000

right now im 12 - 5 - 44….link is my tanking partner and he has imp demo shout (2 of 5)…..im not sure where i could take 3 points from anywhere to put into imp def. stance……i dont think its worth getting.