Comments on: Super Healing Potions… not worth it.

By: Veneretio

Veneretio — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:42:08 +0000

You can’t make a direct comparison, but it is still clear that Ironshield potions have a far, far greater impact than Super Healing Potions in every situation where Armor matters. (and Resistance pots beat out Super Healing in every situation where Armor doesn’t matter)

By: Rochelle

Rochelle — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:26:35 +0000

Thats what I figured, so you really can’t compare Ironshields with Super Healing Pots if the circumstances for use are totally different.

By: Kavtor

Kavtor — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:18:44 +0000

I certainly have used them reactionary, but only on farm content that I usually wouldn’t bother using ironshields on, and then something bad happens.
Or something like Vashj or Illidan, where you start off the fight with a bunch of bored healers and only you to heal, and the damage & difficulty ramps up at the end.

But on anything with a vague chance to kill me it’s chain potting all the way.

By: Sumendis

Sumendis — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:01:39 +0000

The benefit of ironshield pots is really only noticeable as an average over time imo, so using them in reaction to a damage spike is of little value.

I can imagine some situations where you start the fight without ironshields and then start drinking them later on in a fight, if it’s something where the damage gets ramped up in some way, or for example if lots of healers have died prematurely or something.

By: Arvernien

Arvernien — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:53:32 +0000

Thanks for the clarification on this. I went into Kara with a 5 stack of Greater Stonesheild Potions and used them all. I wasn’t sure of the effect but I did notice that we didn’t wipe until an accidental early pull on Curator. Can’t say that the potions were the reason, but you’ve made such a good case I spent an hour fishing for Stonescale Eels and mining Thorium

By: Veneretio

Veneretio — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 16:10:20 +0000

Ya definitely the purpose of using Ironshield Potions is to chug them constantly for fights where the more survivability you can have the better.

By: Rochelle

Rochelle — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:20:18 +0000

Do people drink Ironshields as a reactionary measure? On progression fights I just chug them from start to finish, I have never really considered using them at other times just because my health dipped low or something.

By: Sumendis

Sumendis — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:16:29 +0000

PS That being said, there’s no reason not to use armor potions at the lower lvls of progression as well. Like the oft-quoted Prince phase2, it made such a huge difference back in the day when kara was still “hard”. Try it and you’ll get to love armor pots

By: Sumendis

Sumendis — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:11:39 +0000

At the early levels of progression, healing pots are still quite powerful, people have mentioned values of 12k or 15k health, at these levels the 2k from the pot is still quite a chunk. Also the healing done is something like 50% or more of what the bosses usually hit you for, so it can still help you survive an extra hit when you’re low.
Now fastforward to BT, I got about 22k health fully buffed in a raid, the healing pot is 10% of that and I hardly notice my bar going up when I drink one. Bosses hit 8-10k easily in 1 swing, so if I’m low already an extra 2k isn’t necessarily gonna save me.
However as has been stated time and again, the increase in “time to live” granted by armor is pretty much linear with armor value. So whether I’m a kara tank with 14k armor or a BT tank with 20k, if the ironshield potion gives me 2 seconds increased time to live (just as an example), then it’s still effective even at the top end, my healers can get an extra heal in and that can be 6k 10k or probably more (with several healers spamming), that’s so much more powerful than a 2k pot.

Now I just wish there was ironshield potion Injectors… my bags are full enough with gear already, carrying a ton of potions to progression raids gets annoying

By: Kavtor

Kavtor — Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:16:01 +0000

Starting with a shield buff is going to screw with your rage generation to start.
The idea is, a health pot saves you from about 2k health.
Tanking say, Magtheridon, an ironshield will probably save you 2k health in about 5 seconds. and it lasts for 2 minutes.