Comments on: How much Avoidance does Defense give? http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/ A guide to tanking as a warrior in world of warcraft Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:54:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Twistedmind http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-2894 Twistedmind Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:19:23 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-2894 @Yablos Also 78% block, when u have shield block up which should be always u are at 150%ish, wasted 50%. So an extra 2k health is all win in my If he will get blocked 2 time he will be crushable and die, if he has a lot of parry and dodge = less chance of being blocked = less chance of being crushable. I'm not really the win @ tanking but I have A gnome warrior for tanking and a Be pally for tanking. And I was uncrushable in half blue purple, but on the 3th boss of ZA I lost my shieldblock fast and became crushable and whiped the raid all the time. @Yablos
Also 78% block, when u have shield block up which should be always u are at 150%ish, wasted 50%. So an extra 2k health is all win in my
If he will get blocked 2 time he will be crushable and die, if he has a lot of parry and dodge = less chance of being blocked = less chance of being crushable.

I’m not really the win @ tanking but I have A gnome warrior for tanking and a Be pally for tanking. And I was uncrushable in half blue purple, but on the 3th boss of ZA I lost my shieldblock fast and became crushable and whiped the raid all the time.

]]> By: yablos http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-2492 yablos Wed, 04 Jun 2008 19:58:25 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-2492 I'm kinda new to tanking however from my limited experience anything after 490 defense is not worth it. Also 78% block, when u have shield block up which should be always u are at 150%ish, wasted 50%. So an extra 2k health is all win in my opinion. On the parry thing it take more to stack however is it not true that you get an immediate counter attack when you parry? I have only heard this but this would increase threat generation, which other avoidance does not. I’m kinda new to tanking however from my limited experience anything after 490 defense is not worth it.
Also 78% block, when u have shield block up which should be always u are at 150%ish, wasted 50%. So an extra 2k health is all win in my opinion.

On the parry thing it take more to stack however is it not true that you get an immediate counter attack when you parry? I have only heard this but this would increase threat generation, which other avoidance does not.

]]> By: Alexandre http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-888 Alexandre Mon, 21 Jan 2008 16:24:09 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-888 Healers and Warriors are best friends we know that, you raid alot together and "know" the deal. Unbuffed i have HP 14,7k , Def 551 , Combined parry dodge and block 78,02% and my last my armor is 16792. all unbuffed. If i replace my gems to more stamina i gain about 2k perhaps ( buffed ) now i have buffed 19k HP. What does the 2 k extra HP give me more then the loss in avoidance is worth for ?? Healers and Warriors are best friends we know that, you raid alot together and “know” the deal.

Unbuffed i have

HP 14,7k , Def 551 , Combined parry dodge and block 78,02% and my last my armor is 16792. all unbuffed.

If i replace my gems to more stamina i gain about 2k perhaps ( buffed ) now i have buffed 19k HP. What does the 2 k extra HP give me more then the loss in avoidance is worth for ??

]]> By: Hao http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-808 Hao Wed, 09 Jan 2008 20:53:09 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-808 i'd have to say as a former healer, the "oh s***" heals are the ones where you see life dropping by ~50% in a tick or two. We throw heals and even overheal trying to keep a tank up. The less that happened the less mana I wasted. i’d have to say as a former healer, the “oh s***” heals are the ones where you see life dropping by ~50% in a tick or two. We throw heals and even overheal trying to keep a tank up. The less that happened the less mana I wasted.

]]> By: Criss http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-623 Criss Sat, 08 Dec 2007 17:22:50 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-623 I'm so grateful for this post. It seems the most forgotten, even if the simplest, concept ever. I’m so grateful for this post. It seems the most forgotten, even if the simplest, concept ever.

]]> By: Andre http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-620 Andre Sat, 08 Dec 2007 08:28:59 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-620 Very good post every one seemed to have good input. I personally prefer to stack defense because you will benefit more in the long run. Avoidance is nice, but you simple have to find a good combination and at the same time maintaining 490 defense. Very good post every one seemed to have good input. I personally prefer to stack defense because you will benefit more in the long run. Avoidance is nice, but you simple have to find a good combination and at the same time maintaining 490 defense.

]]> By: Ayana http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-610 Ayana Fri, 07 Dec 2007 08:11:06 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-610 On more reason for that armor & stamina is more valuable than avoidence after 490 is the healers. Like if you have 50% dodge you might take less damage troughout the entire fight. But then suddenly you get a hard hit that makes you bleed more than taking less damage over time. Just ask a healer, what's more easy to heal trough? The sudden 8k hits or the steady flow of 3k hits. On more reason for that armor & stamina is more valuable than avoidence after 490 is the healers.

Like if you have 50% dodge you might take less damage troughout the entire fight. But then suddenly you get a hard hit that makes you bleed more than taking less damage over time.

Just ask a healer, what’s more easy to heal trough? The sudden 8k hits or the steady flow of 3k hits.

]]> By: Jacob http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-609 Jacob Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:02:53 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-609 Actually, there is a tooltip for chance to be missed. If you mousover the "Defense" category in the defense drop-down area, you'll see the following two chunks of information: "Defense rating x (+y defense) Increases chance to Dodge, Block, and Parry by z% Decreases chance to be hit and critically hit by z%" The listed chance to be missed is lower than your actual chance to be missed by virtue of the 5% base miss rate. Adding that to the listed rate will give you your true "miss" value. Actually, there is a tooltip for chance to be missed. If you mousover the “Defense” category in the defense drop-down area, you’ll see the following two chunks of information:

“Defense rating x (+y defense)
Increases chance to Dodge, Block, and Parry by z%
Decreases chance to be hit and critically hit by z%”

The listed chance to be missed is lower than your actual chance to be missed by virtue of the 5% base miss rate. Adding that to the listed rate will give you your true “miss” value.

]]> By: Alixander http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-594 Alixander Tue, 04 Dec 2007 19:32:55 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-594 I generally rate Defense as more valueable than straight dodge due to the increased miss chance. Being that you can still be stunned, knocked down, etc., straight avoidances like Dodge and Parry are only good if you can react. Since every point of Defense increases your chance to be missed by 0.04%, that means less chance to be hit no matter what the scenario. Also, while Defense isn't worth 0.16% straight avoidance, it is worth 0.16% crush avoidance, which is better than Dodge. This info is a little more important to Paladin tanks than Warrior tanks due to the difference in additional Block chance that Holy Shield gives (30% instead of 75%) I generally rate Defense as more valueable than straight dodge due to the increased miss chance. Being that you can still be stunned, knocked down, etc., straight avoidances like Dodge and Parry are only good if you can react. Since every point of Defense increases your chance to be missed by 0.04%, that means less chance to be hit no matter what the scenario.

Also, while Defense isn’t worth 0.16% straight avoidance, it is worth 0.16% crush avoidance, which is better than Dodge. This info is a little more important to Paladin tanks than Warrior tanks due to the difference in additional Block chance that Holy Shield gives (30% instead of 75%)

]]> By: Khatia http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-588 Khatia Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:48:42 +0000 http://www.tankingtips.com/2007/12/03/how-much-avoidance-does-defense-give/#comment-588 I think the miss part is the part that most people forget about, because we don't have a tooltip for our chance to be missed. Anyway very very simple but useful post. *bookmarked* I think the miss part is the part that most people forget about, because we don’t have a tooltip for our chance to be missed. Anyway very very simple but useful post. *bookmarked*

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