Comments on: Stop Tanking. Start Watching.

By: Kiddcreole

Kiddcreole — Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:25:29 +0000

I love good conversation like this. I was really of the same opinion as Lego as I was reading through this post, but after reading Dahler’s comments, I have a bit of a different perspective. I will say that in a 5-man PUG, I am more inclined to agree with Lego. Everyone has a job to do and should focus on it, but to Dahler’s point, in a guild raid, everyone should do that little something extra that their class offers to make the raid a success. The great part about guilds is the opportunity to repeatedly run together to learn what those somethings are and how best to use them.

Having had to shackle in Kara, it would certainly be nice that an early break of my shackle wouldn’t lead to an untimely death for me, since the tank would already have some aggro.

As a DPSer, I also appreciate a tank having aggro prior to the break of the CC, as mentioned, since that will allow me to do max damage. Face melting…woooohooo!

By: Boshaft

Boshaft — Wed, 20 Feb 2008 18:51:03 +0000

“What has always bugged me about tanking in raids (or at least how all the other non-tank members of the raid group percieve it) is that having a skilled Off-Tank is more important than a skilled Main Tank as long as the gear is there for many fights, but ultimately it

By: Maelstroms

Maelstroms — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 01:20:40 +0000

You can use sunder armor on a mob while it is CCed and not break the CC. gain aggro before it breaks!!!!

By: Dahler

Dahler — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 00:23:35 +0000

I’m going to have to say that Lego’s view here is a bit short-sighted (at least in a guild situation). If you look at a raid only in terms of “this is my job and that is your job”, you will be bound to fail at some point. Everyone’s job should be to make the raid a success, and that includes helping others in case of problems. Everyone’s going to have problems at some point, whether it’s accidentally targetting the wrong mob, or having the Polymorph resisted 3 times in a row. I try and prepare for situations where I can help out in whatever way I can (concussion blow something marked for CC to give a bit extra time, taunt an early break, etc.), just as I expect the CC’ers to look for ways they can help (hunters dropping traps in front of healers, rogues kidney punching a MC’ed player, etc).

A contingency plan should include more than blaming someone for a failure.

By: Lego

Lego — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 19:37:59 +0000

When I mark something to be CCed I expect the person doing the CC to keep it that way. Mages and Locks I have seen use some nice CC macros to reapply their CC just before it were to break without losing their current target along with addons with timers for their CC duration left and what not. Believe they use focus for targeting functions in regard to that.

This may seem harsh but we all have our roles to fill and were given abilities to fulfill those roles. If the tank is to take the responsibility away from all the classes with CC then it just breeds bad other players. If I took much of the responsibility off a CCer then they get sloppy and just CC the initial pull and slack off the rest of the fight assuming I will be keeping the mobs aggroed to me. While this makes me a better tank and my healer johnny on the spot it means the CCers get sloppy for the next group they are with.

If all the CCers are doing to the mob is CCing it I have yet to find one I couldn’t pull off the CCer with a taunt, challenging shout, mocking blow, shield slam, revenge, devastate, etc. pick one or more hehe.

Just my two cents and I am believer that not all responsibility should fall on one person, it is a group effort and therefore the responsibility should be spread out evenly.

By: Tank

Tank — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:27:48 +0000

Some Tanks have too much air in them that they want to be Tanking and MT all the time.

In short, an Ego Tank is a bad Tank.

I dun belive in OT/MT term, I think every encounter requires different Tanks like Pally or Druid. Since Warrior are good for single mob tanking, it would be the right choice for warrior to tank bosses.

By: Dubb

Dubb — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:32:01 +0000

Funny enough, I was pulled in on part of a Kara run my guild did this weekend as an OT, and we had enough CC for all mobs, so I told the raid that I was going to babysit the CC’ed mobs, and I was accused of being lazy. /sigh

By: bondetamp

bondetamp — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:34:48 +0000

Intervene is very nice, both if you’re trying to keep second on threat and to help taking some damage off the MT.

On Gruul and Voidreaver, I keep Intervene on constant cooldown and it helps me imensely with my rage generation.

By: Kiah

Kiah — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:23:30 +0000

Oh, that’s where the “target one of the other tanks’ mobs” part comes in. Else it will turn autoattack on, yeah. But target another tanks mob, and start mouse-over sundering.

By: Ceci

Ceci — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:45:50 +0000

I use mouseover sunder but never knew it doesn`t break cc,i guess you also have to turned autoattack option off in the interface menu,right?This is very ncie hint and i have to try it out,thanks.

About overtanking,depends on situations,but im usually helping to keep tc/demo up.Most of the time im just using autoattack to get full rage and when his mob gets to under 20% i go wake next in line and build enough threat so dps doesn` need to wait and can kill it asap.This goes only for sheeps,if there is banish present i`m just standing next to it waiting for it to break,taunt it so lock has enough time to banish it again without getting killed.