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	<title>Comments on: SSO Neck vs Brooch of Deftness</title>
	<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/</link>
	<description>A guide to tanking as a warrior in world of warcraft</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: obtuse</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-3626</link>
		<author>obtuse</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 03:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-3626</guid>
		<description>I am switching to scryer, for 2 reasons:

1- As mentioned by others, I like being able to rely on opening procs. I get this constantly right now with the dodge proc, and it is a boon on bosses like gorefiend (I use my pocket watch in this circumstance to open the fight stacked with rage potion) and a hassle on other fights that do not hurt as much. 

2- I want to be able to use the proc when it is up to safely build threat with lower risk of parry damage. My tanking style is to build as much threat as possible while I'm safe and then have the option of stopping attacks in moments of danger to avoid gibbing myself like an idiot to parry. The scryer proc will be one additional line of defense for me and will really help my threat.

Two other benefits: using the proc along with my style I will be able to mix up my gear combinations to build in some more of the avoidance I normally sacrifice for threat stats, and this will compensate for the loss of the dodge from aldor proc. In addition there is no way to know at this time how useful this may become in as yet unseen content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am switching to scryer, for 2 reasons:</p>
<p>1- As mentioned by others, I like being able to rely on opening procs. I get this constantly right now with the dodge proc, and it is a boon on bosses like gorefiend (I use my pocket watch in this circumstance to open the fight stacked with rage potion) and a hassle on other fights that do not hurt as much. </p>
<p>2- I want to be able to use the proc when it is up to safely build threat with lower risk of parry damage. My tanking style is to build as much threat as possible while I&#8217;m safe and then have the option of stopping attacks in moments of danger to avoid gibbing myself like an idiot to parry. The scryer proc will be one additional line of defense for me and will really help my threat.</p>
<p>Two other benefits: using the proc along with my style I will be able to mix up my gear combinations to build in some more of the avoidance I normally sacrifice for threat stats, and this will compensate for the loss of the dodge from aldor proc. In addition there is no way to know at this time how useful this may become in as yet unseen content.</p>
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		<title>By: Curtis</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-3220</link>
		<author>Curtis</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-3220</guid>
		<description>I'm talking to a druid friend now. He's scryer. We're arguing over which is better.

The Scryer SSO neck gives 100 expertise for 10 seconds. Which for a bear is 4 attacks. About 6 general CDs. So at the most 10 attacks are being buffed. That's not a whole lot. Has anyone taken that into consideration when doing the math?

Brooch of Deftness, to my mathematically impaired eyes, looks better all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m talking to a druid friend now. He&#8217;s scryer. We&#8217;re arguing over which is better.</p>
<p>The Scryer SSO neck gives 100 expertise for 10 seconds. Which for a bear is 4 attacks. About 6 general CDs. So at the most 10 attacks are being buffed. That&#8217;s not a whole lot. Has anyone taken that into consideration when doing the math?</p>
<p>Brooch of Deftness, to my mathematically impaired eyes, looks better all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Gutboy</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1980</link>
		<author>Gutboy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1980</guid>
		<description>At least on my server, getting exalted with Scryer is a lot easier now due to the flood of Sunfury Signets on the AH. Check it out if that's your bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least on my server, getting exalted with Scryer is a lot easier now due to the flood of Sunfury Signets on the AH. Check it out if that&#8217;s your bag.</p>
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		<title>By: Hao</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1818</link>
		<author>Hao</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1818</guid>
		<description>@Galabriel.  SSO neck procs for 100 dodge instead of 100 expertise for Aldor and scryer respectively.  It seems like from the tone of vene's post, it seems like the pendant would be more helpful to scryer tanks..  That is if you are exhalted with scryer which is a b**** and a half trying to attain compared to getting exhalted with aldor.  If i get exhalted with scryer, i'd try to get it.

and WEWT!  Our badge vendor finally opened yesterday on Drak'thul!  It was utter mayhem trying to look for the vendor in the crowd of maybe 100 at a time.  Shift+V helped a lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Galabriel.  SSO neck procs for 100 dodge instead of 100 expertise for Aldor and scryer respectively.  It seems like from the tone of vene&#8217;s post, it seems like the pendant would be more helpful to scryer tanks..  That is if you are exhalted with scryer which is a b**** and a half trying to attain compared to getting exhalted with aldor.  If i get exhalted with scryer, i&#8217;d try to get it.</p>
<p>and WEWT!  Our badge vendor finally opened yesterday on Drak&#8217;thul!  It was utter mayhem trying to look for the vendor in the crowd of maybe 100 at a time.  Shift+V helped a lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Irghen</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1817</link>
		<author>Irghen</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 23:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1817</guid>
		<description>^ I'd take maiden's. For the same reason stacking EH is better than Avoidance, steadyness is much more controllable.

Although, I'm still getting my Aldor SSO neck and give it a shot for prot AoE/old content farming, I have a feeling it'll have a positive result, if at least on my repair bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ I&#8217;d take maiden&#8217;s. For the same reason stacking EH is better than Avoidance, steadyness is much more controllable.</p>
<p>Although, I&#8217;m still getting my Aldor SSO neck and give it a shot for prot AoE/old content farming, I have a feeling it&#8217;ll have a positive result, if at least on my repair bills.</p>
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		<title>By: Galabriel</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1788</link>
		<author>Galabriel</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 20:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1788</guid>
		<description>Now I know some of you have been discussing this, but I failed to notice a definitive breakdown, so I'll ask for your idea:

For an Aldor Exalted Tank, for melee encounters, is Maiden's neck or the SSO neck better?

Or in other words, would you rather have a high burst of dodge from time to time, -or- prefer a steady dodge % all throughout a fight?

Thanks in advance</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I know some of you have been discussing this, but I failed to notice a definitive breakdown, so I&#8217;ll ask for your idea:</p>
<p>For an Aldor Exalted Tank, for melee encounters, is Maiden&#8217;s neck or the SSO neck better?</p>
<p>Or in other words, would you rather have a high burst of dodge from time to time, -or- prefer a steady dodge % all throughout a fight?</p>
<p>Thanks in advance</p>
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		<title>By: Arideni</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1775</link>
		<author>Arideni</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 03:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1775</guid>
		<description>I think it is worth mentioning that Blizzard has stated before that parry is a mechanic used to tune certain encounters. Don't be so set-in-stone about the parry per cent, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the numbers are much different for certain bosses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is worth mentioning that Blizzard has stated before that parry is a mechanic used to tune certain encounters. Don&#8217;t be so set-in-stone about the parry per cent, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised at all if the numbers are much different for certain bosses.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1765</link>
		<author>admin</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1765</guid>
		<description>Article updated. The new Magic Number is a rather staggering 33. (Expertise Skill)

I swear to god if they nerf/buff this item and I have to update this sucker again, I'll scream!!! :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Article updated. The new Magic Number is a rather staggering 33. (Expertise Skill)</p>
<p>I swear to god if they nerf/buff this item and I have to update this sucker again, I&#8217;ll scream!!! <img src='http://www.tankingtips.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Crimsonstorm</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1760</link>
		<author>Crimsonstorm</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1760</guid>
		<description>"“Parry cap: bosses have at least twice the chance to parry an attack as compared to dodging it?so 11.2%.”

I think it’s 10.6% minimum parry, not 11.2%. The 0.2% level change is only applied once. Base 5% dodge, base 10% parry. Add 0.2% per level (assuming your weapon skill is capped, of course), and you get 5.6% and 10.6%."


Actually:  

Dodge % for a level 73 is 6.5%.  There have been tests showing people with 6% dodge reducuction still getting dodges, and people with 6.75% not getting dodges, so the value is either 6.5% or very close (but 6.5% makes sense).   Its +.5% per level not +.2%.

For parry the exact value is unknown, but it seems to be at least in the 12% range.  Its possible its just 2xDodge, or 13%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“Parry cap: bosses have at least twice the chance to parry an attack as compared to dodging it?so 11.2%.”</p>
<p>I think it’s 10.6% minimum parry, not 11.2%. The 0.2% level change is only applied once. Base 5% dodge, base 10% parry. Add 0.2% per level (assuming your weapon skill is capped, of course), and you get 5.6% and 10.6%.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually:  </p>
<p>Dodge % for a level 73 is 6.5%.  There have been tests showing people with 6% dodge reducuction still getting dodges, and people with 6.75% not getting dodges, so the value is either 6.5% or very close (but 6.5% makes sense).   Its +.5% per level not +.2%.</p>
<p>For parry the exact value is unknown, but it seems to be at least in the 12% range.  Its possible its just 2xDodge, or 13%.</p>
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		<title>By: Crimsonstorm</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1759</link>
		<author>Crimsonstorm</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/04/11/sso-neck-vs-brooch-of-deftness/#comment-1759</guid>
		<description>For the Scryer trinket:  Its all about how much expertise you have now.  I'm at 37 expertise skill, so it would push me way over the hard cap.  For someone at 20, the scryer trinket is worth it.  (But Im not scryer).

For Aldor: Dodge is random anyway, and we're talking about relatively small %ages.  I'm going to treat the proc as being basically equivalent to 16-17 dodge rating. 

So its:

9 hit + 3 expertise vs 16-17 dodge rating.

Imo its worth having both, for if I want a little more threat or a little more expertise.  (But if I didnt already have the Badge neck, I'd wait to get it as a last priority).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the Scryer trinket:  Its all about how much expertise you have now.  I&#8217;m at 37 expertise skill, so it would push me way over the hard cap.  For someone at 20, the scryer trinket is worth it.  (But Im not scryer).</p>
<p>For Aldor: Dodge is random anyway, and we&#8217;re talking about relatively small %ages.  I&#8217;m going to treat the proc as being basically equivalent to 16-17 dodge rating. </p>
<p>So its:</p>
<p>9 hit + 3 expertise vs 16-17 dodge rating.</p>
<p>Imo its worth having both, for if I want a little more threat or a little more expertise.  (But if I didnt already have the Badge neck, I&#8217;d wait to get it as a last priority).</p>
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