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With the Hyjal and Black Temple attunements a thing of the past, no doubt many of you have ventured into the wonderful world of Tier 6 content. With all the new Badge gear though, the question quickly comes to mind… are there any upgrades here?
Hyjal Summit
0. Trash Loot
Pepe’s Shroud of Pacification is a welcomed addition to your threat set, but won’t replace the ever amazing Slikk’s Cloak of Placation for Survivability.
1. Rage Winterchill
Drops nothing for you… let’s keep moving along.
2. Anetheron
Our first tanking item to question is The Unbreakable Will. Impressive dps, nice fast speed, armor, stamina and defense. All and all a very nice tanking weapon.
- Is it better than Mallet of the Tides though? Nope.
- And if you are an Orc then it’s not better than Cleaver of the Unforgiving either.
Is it worse than those though? Nope. So basically, if you’ve been really unlucky in your travels, it’ll be a welcomed upgrade over King’s Defender. If you haven’t… well then just pass it on to your dps warrior. (you’ll be reading that a lot this article)
3. Kaz’rogal
Kaz’rogal’s Hardened Heart drops from Kaz’rogal (big shocker, I know) and is a welcomed addition to your gear. Rather than running down the list, I’ll just sum it all up in… Yes, this is an upgrade over everything before it.
4. Azgalor
Your first piece of your Tier 6 set is the gloves. While they certainly are a significant survivability increase over what you’ve attained previously, they lack any threat stats for the most part. More to the point with these being so strong for the rest of your raid and your endgame gloves dropping early on in Black Temple, it really comes down to the question of whether or not you are the Main Tank. The Main Tank should pass since they’re more likely to get Teron’s pair whereas an Off-Tank is better off picking these up since Teron may never drop enough pairs of gloves for them.
Glory of the Defender is basically equivalent to the new Badge chestpiece and it’s not as strong as Zul’jin’s Chestguard of the Warlord As a result, you’ve got another item you’ll be seeing drop and sighing as you watch it go to one of your dps warriors.
5. Archimonde
Helm of the Forgotten Protector (Onslaught Greathelm)
The 2nd piece of potential Tier 6 you’ll be seeing is unfortunately pretty lackluster. In all honesty, it’s really only worth wearing once you can get the 4 piece set bonus which is amazing. Pick it up way later once everyone else has gotten their fill. The helm you want to be wearing until you get the 4 piece bonus is the now amazing Battleworn Tuskguard.
Black Temple
0. Trash Loot
Nothing to see here… moving along.
1. High Warlord Naj’entus
Eternium Shell Bracers
The bracers represent a pure survival piece which means you won’t be able to ditch your Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx anytime soon since it fills in for your threat set. Regardless, you should be picking up these bracers eventually.
2. Supremus
Supremus is a tank’s dream with 4 potential items to pick up once you make it to him. The Pauldrons are strikingly similar to Naj’entus’ bracers and should be basically treated the same way. Make sure to pick them up eventually, but for your threat fights you’ll be still using your Destroyer Shoulderguards that you’ve hopefully acquired long ago by this time.
The Legionkiller is an interesting dilemma. It isn’t as good as Teron’s rifle in terms of pure survivability. It isn’t as flexible as the Khorium Destoyer, but at the same time you won’t find the same balance of threat, avoidance and stamina all in one gun like this one. It’s certainly not necessary to pick up, but you won’t look out of place using it either. That being said, I can’t say that I’ll likely ever use it. Overall, this one’s a coin toss and is more a matter of personal taste than anything else.
Up next, Supremus’ ring features huge amounts of Stamina coupled with a bundle of Defense and Hit Rating too. Despite it’s massive stats make no mistake, it’s a threat piece. While it certainly trumps your old Karazhan ring, it still won’t beat the combination of Tidewalker’s Ring of Sundered Souls combined with the new Ring of the Stalwart Protector for low threat, survival style encounters. It sits quite nicely beside the Band of the Eternal Defender though.
Finally, Supremus’ real gem, The Brutalizer. For everyone short of Humans that may decide to continue using Mallet of the Tides, this is easily the best weapon you’ve seen at this point in time in the game. Hopefully, you’ll be lucky enough to see more than a few drop for your raid.
3. Shade of Akama
If you ever needed another reason to justify bringing a dps warrior to your raid, you can add to the list picking up all the old tanking loot that badge items have made pretty vanilla now. The once godly Praetorian’s Legguards now take a backseat to the new Sunguard Legplates where as Akama’s Treads remain the top boot pickup by a large margin.
4. Teron Gorefiend
Teron presents you with 2 very strong pieces for your trouble defeating the first challenging boss in Black Temple. His gloves are just all around amazing and will easily dwarf your Tier 5 as well as make you hesitate before even picking up the Tier 6 gloves as we discussed earlier. The Rifle while not the all around all-star that the gloves are is still a very solid survival focused piece that you’ll definitely want to pickup. The quick shot speed of the gun is just a little extra icing on the cake.
5. Gurtogg Bloodboil
Gurtogg’s Girdle competes for your gear slot with the new Girdle of the Fearless and for the most part, loses. You’ll still want to pick it up since it’ll aid you in the Reliquary of Souls fight, but for the most part this piece while Stamina heavy just doesn’t have the strong balance of stats that the new Girdle boasts. On the flip side, the Shadowmoon Insignia is still an extremely desired, high avoidance trinket. For many fights, it’ll finally take the slot that Moroes’ Pocket Watch has had a strangle hold on for seemingly an eternity.
6. Reliquary of Souls
Pendant of Titans
The Pendant joins the ranks of the bracers and shoulders acquired before it offering a solid piece for fights that warrant extra avoidance. While this neckpiece does feature Hit Rating that isn’t enough for it to replace your Brooch of Deftness.
7. Mother Shahraz
Pauldrons of the Forgotten Protector (Onslaught Shoulderguards)
While it potentially hasn’t been too long ago since you picked up a new pair of shoulders off Supremus, the Tier 6 shoulders are the first piece of Tier 6 you’ve ran into that screams, “Take Me!”. Which isn’t too say they are a massive upgrade over the Pauldrons of Abyssal Fury, but nonetheless they are an upgrade (especially if Supremus wasn’t kind to you) and are definitely the first piece of Tier 6 you should be pulling out the “I’m a Tank, that’s mine” card should guild have given you one when you signed up.
8. The Illidari Council
Leggings of the Forgotten Protector (Onslaught Legguards)
When compared to the new badge legs and Akama’s, the Tier 6 legs offer large amounts of Avoidance at the cost of a ton of Stamina. Not a great trade really and as a result these legs should be treated just like the Tier 6 helm in that you should eventually pick them up, but don’t be first in line and only wear it once you’re able to use the 4 piece bonus.
9. Illidan Stormrage
- Faceplate of the Impenetrable
- Bulwark of Azzinoth
- Chestguard of the Forgotten Protector (Onslaught Chestguard)
Finally the end of your Black Temple journey, Illidan sports an impressive set of 3 highly sought after items. The Faceplate which once was delegated to the category of “I wish I could wear” is now very desirable thanks to the option of picking up additional Tier 6 in Sunwell and still maintaining the 4 piece set bonus. The Bulwark is an obviously godly shield that you’ll happily snag if you know what’s best for you and the Onslaught chest is absolutely amazing. It’s the strongest piece of Tier 6 you’ve seen so far by a long shot and definitely something you want to get as soon as possible. All in all Illidan’s loot table is definitely worthy to be attached to the final boss of Black Temple.
May 11th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
As a Human Tank isn’t it still advisable to pick up Unbreakable Will for those situations where your purely tanking since it is superior to the Mallet (due to mitigation) and maybe suggestable to re-enchant ones Mallet to to more DPS or threat?
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May 11th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Nice!
100% correct vene.
should be picking up these pieces very soon.
cheers man
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May 11th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
I have the Mallet, and will definitely snag the Unbreakable Will as soon as it drops. I have Executioner on the Mallet and will absolutely put Mongoose on the Unbreakable Will. It will become my primary boss weapon. It may not be “better,” but I think if one looks at it as a mitigation weapon as opposed to the Mallet being a threat weapon (at least at the level at which it’s acquired) then it certainly deserves a place in a tank’s toolbox.
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May 11th, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Black Temple = Fantastic tank items
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May 11th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
I’ve thus far ignored T6 hat, used T6 gloves for the DPS token, passed T6 shoulders since I’ve got Pauldrons, and picked up T6 legs as an avoidance piece. The first piece of T6 that I picked up was the chest, since I got off set pieces along the way. Getting your resto shaman 4pc T6 is pretty crazy.
And if you’re working through deep BT, you want to keep in mind Brutalis is on the horizon, so all that avoidance gear will be really useful.
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May 12th, 2008 at 1:17 am
Oh, I’ve been waiting for a post like this so long, I did some of my own comparisons. And.. they’re excactly the same as you did Vene! Thank you so much for post like this, I’m sure lots of tanks out there will appreciate alot!
Personaly, I’m using The Unbreakable Will (yes, i’m human), replaced it with King’s Defender and it’s really nice upgrade if you ask me.
I’d like to ask for little advice if I may? I’m not sure which chest to grab -
Chestguard of the Warlord, Glory of the Defender or the new badge one?
Our guild cleared upto Bloodboil now, so I guess I won’t be seeing T6 chest for some time.
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May 12th, 2008 at 4:26 am
You should add Blade of Savagery http://thottbot.com/i32369 to you Mother Shahraz section. It is an incredible threat weapon that I managed to pick up after our melee dps got their fill. I often start fights with it and then switch over to something with more tanking stats after gaining a comfortable threat lead.
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May 12th, 2008 at 7:23 am
What about Pepe’s Shroud vs. Slikk’s cloak?
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May 12th, 2008 at 7:29 am
Get which ever chest you can get first. Warlords and Defender are pretty similiar. And If you’ve got spare badges, you can solve the problem entirely.
Pepe’s & Slikk’s are different. Pepe’s better threat, Slikk is better survivability. Wear either as appropriate. Pepe’s drops off trash, so it’s not going to be that tough to pick up.
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May 12th, 2008 at 9:15 am
I wish i could go to BT.. =(
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May 12th, 2008 at 10:22 am
You cannot pass on all the higher armor items regardless of how you feel about the avoidance stats - you will get pancaked with all lower armor items. Loot has a funny way of not always dropping what you ideally want; I say get the best in slot when you can. Also, according to this guide, you will never get or use the 4T6 bonus.
The Mallet of Tides is not better than The Unbreakable Will. Yes, expertise - it’s great, you can get it elsewhere. You simply need the hardest hitting 1h weapon you can get in the 1.6 speed range. One slot and one weapon to hit with for all of your mainhand attacks, it has to count. If your dps classes are not challenging you on threat, you have the smartest raid ever or terrible raid dps.
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May 12th, 2008 at 10:49 am
@Offtank: My recommendation is Chestguard of the Warlord as mentioned in the article.
@Lancelet: Great question, I’ll update the article to include trash loot.
@Haedes: Agreed, you don’t always get exactly what you want, but the point of this article is in a magical world where you do, this is what you take and why. And you absolutely will get the 4 piece… I’m simply suggesting you pick up those T6 pieces later as in pass on them on the first 3 or 4 kills since you don’t need to use them immediately. Eventually the goal is to be wearing, T6 Helm, Shoulder, Legs and Chest when you hit Sunwell.
Regarding Mallet vs Unbreakable, you can’t get enough Expertise elsewhere. Kavtor actually tipped me off on this a while back via a pm that it’s been found that no Parry has happened at 57 Expertise Skill… 57. That’s a ton. As I state in the article, I mark the two of those as basically equivalent if you are a human. If you aren’t a human, then The Brutalizer beats both hands down.
@All: I realize this has been a giant article so there’ll be a follow up coming soon simplifying things cause that’s the way I like
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May 12th, 2008 at 11:19 am
About the comparison between Glory of the Defender and Chestguard of the Warlord (how to get those fancy item links to work…)
Glory of the Defender seems to edge out Chestguard of the warlord slightly
Glory of the Defender has +100armor, -30stam (all solid empyrean sapphires, about +1% avoidance, +8hit, compared to Chestguard of the warlord.
Only thing chestguard has as an advantage is the stamina, Glory of the Defender wins in all other categories.
Now using EH/TDR(effective health/total damage reduction) at tankspot, including the higher armor and avoidance of the Glory of the Defender, the TDR of the Glory of the Defender is higher (more damage reduction).
So Glory of the Defender has more damage reduction and more threat (more hit rating).
Chestguard has the effective health advantage of course but at this point of the t6 content, a full complete piece is usually better than just straight stamina piece (ofcourse only stam gems and never avoidance gems though etc).
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May 12th, 2008 at 11:21 am
I think Unbreakable Will is definately better than the mallet simply because when Archimonde and Azgalor and Illidan are hitting you for 8k, that little bit of armor is going to help a lot more than a little bit of expertise. When you are doing progression bosses, threat stats have to take a back seat to survivability stats. Thats the same reason I like Girdle of Stability and Eternium Shell Bracers as compared to their badge equivalents.
And as for Shadowmoon Insignia, you are right that its highly sought after because it is very good, but it is not a replacement for the pocket watch. Nothing is a replacement for the pocket watch - it is, hands down, the best trinket in the game and has kept me alive more times than I can count. I have worn it on every single progression (non-farm) boss up to 4/6 Sunwell. If I could, I would marry the pocket watch and have little pocket watch kids.
Regarding T6, if you are passing on 3 of the items until you need them to get the 4pc, you are going to be waiting a long time. And you don’t want to wait a long time because the 4pc bonus is that good.
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May 12th, 2008 at 11:35 am
I think there’s a real undervaluing of expertise going on. It’s not just a threat stat, it reduces chance for your attacks to be parried too. That’s the really dangerous burst damage.
In regards to the Pocket Watch, it’s very good and it’s usage is downright amazing, but to say that it beats the Shadowmoon Insignia in all situations simply isn’t correct. The power is in the usage, for fights where the usage cannot be used effectively the Insignia becomes far stronger.
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May 12th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Regarding Unbreakable Will and Mallet of the Tides, they really do two different things, and should be regarded as such. Its not really possible to say definitively whether one is better than the other since they are used for different situations.
Mallet is the threat weapon (with executioner), and Unbreakable Will is the survival weapon (with mongoose) which are enchanted for their strengths.
On highly threat intensive fights or weak hitting bosses where tank can’t die (Rage, Teron, etc) then mallet would be better, whereas on hard hitting bosses where tank death could happen (Archi, Illidan, etc) unbreakable will, which is the best survival weapon in the game, would be better.
Just as how tanks keep a threat-oriented suit, avoidance suit, effective health suit, etc, for different situations and bosses, weapons are switched out depending on the encounter.
Also you can start with a threat weapon/shield, build enough of a threat lead over your raid dps, then switch to your survival weapon/shield during the boss fight.
So it depends on the situation, whether Mallet or Unbreakable Will is better than the other weapon.
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May 12th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Now definitely I’m a huge advocate for different sets of gear for different situations, but it’s funny when you read the comments and you get the argument for Unbreakable Will being a threat weapon then later saying it’s a survivability weapon. (I choose the latter)
I hope we can all agree that The Brutalizer is the weapon of choice for non-humans both Threat-wise and Survival-wise. For the human types, it’s definitely not simple and I still stand by my decision that Mallet and Unbreakable Will are basically equal.
Whenever we hit a point where things get very close to equal, this whole gear decision process is extremely subjective. I’ve given you a point of view, if you choose to take it is up to you in the end.
edit: I’ve added a new poll to the site!
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May 12th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
@ Venny ‘Eventually the goal is to be wearing, T6 Helm, Shoulder, Legs and Chest when you hit Sunwell.’
You’re taking Enforcement over Faceplate? Obviously, T6 w/ enforcement is great for threat, but heading into Sunwell, threat should be the least of your concerns. Gloves, Shoulders, Legs, Chest & Faceplate is the way to go.
I’ll probably wind up Shoulders, Legs, Chest, & bracers though to start my 4pc. Faceplate is just too good, and I can’t see myself ever wearing T6 gloves over Enforcement or Silverymoon.
I keep getting funny looks when I pass on Shadowmoon Insignia. It’s an awesome trinket, but Commendation and Pocket watch is too good of a combo to give up for new content. And I don’t need new loot for old content that badly.
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May 12th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
“I hope we can all agree that The Brutalizer is the weapon of choice for non-humans both Threat-wise and Survival-wise”
*for bosses that parry haste. For mobs that don’t parry haste, Unbreakable Will is your best bet for survival.
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May 12th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
@Kavtor:
Yup, I’m taking Enforcement + Helm over Faceplate + Gloves. I do this because it’s the accepted standard, but by the sounds of it further research/analysis is warranted thus I smell an article in the near future titled: “Entering the Sunwell.”
I completely agree that Commendation has shown itself to be ridiculously good compared to anything else and don’t get me wrong I’m a huge Pocket Watch fan, but the fact is not every fight requires the usage and the Insignia does offer significantly more Raw Avoidance.
Excellent point though regarding Parry Haste. With the absence of Parry Haste on a boss encounter, Expertise loses a ton of weight since it obviously transforms form a Survival/Threat stat to merely a Threat stat.
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May 12th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
What bosses don’t parry haste? I’ve never heard of any that do not, I thought that was part of the parry mechanic.
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May 12th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
The T6 bracers definetely will fix the “how do I maintain the 4T6 bonus and still use the best non set pieces” argument for the Faceplate and Enforcement gloves.
Given that I always wear T6 shoulders/legs/chest to get the 4T6 bonus;
I tend to roll with T6 helm w/BV meta and Enforcement in my threat set.
On things that hit harder or Sunwell in general, Faceplate w/Stam meta and T6 gloves.
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May 12th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Mother Shaz and Brutallus don’t, as well as the Bear and Lynx bosses in ZA. I think they’ve removed it from every boss with a saber lash mechanic. Makes it a little more interesting as an OT if you can actually hit the mob.
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May 12th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Great article.
Now that I know what I want, I have to worry about how I’m going to get in there.
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May 12th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
By the time you get a Faceplate, you already have most of T6 on farm status so the choice is pretty simple, you go for threat gear which means T6 hat + enforcement. But for any fights where you struggle with tank death you may want to wear T6 gloves + Faceplate for better survivability. And once you get into Sunwell, you need avoidance in a hurry and threat kinda becomes a non-issue so Faceplate + T6 gloves is a no brainer.
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May 12th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
And regarding the trinket, I always feel like a trinket needs to bring something extra to the table beyond just stats. Thats why I overlook the superior avoidance stats on the Insignia and focus on the Use effect. Plain and simple, the Use on the pocket watch will keep me from dying and the Insignia won’t. I can’t think of a fight where 1.5% more static avoidance would be better than having 16% avoidance in an emergency.
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May 13th, 2008 at 2:05 am
For humans, The Unbreakable Will IS better than the Mallet of the Tides. 5 more defense and 300 extra armor. Yeah, I think that’s definitely worth 14 expertise rating. And still, for humans, stick Executioner on it and you still have a weapon that’s giving you a good chunk of threat. You lose 3.5 expertise skill by using Anetheron’s sword over the mallet, but that’s honestly pretty negligible given the abundance of expertise being thrown on other gear.
I also think you’re undervaluing the Eternium Shell Bracers. Don’t discount them, that’s a really nice chunk of avoidance you’re getting and some stamina. You are losing out on a fair bit of expertise rating though, but for progression fights, the Eternium Shell Bracers are definitely the way to go. Given the fact that there’s no upgrade until Sunwell, take them ASAP. Same story goes for the Pendant of Titans. Sure, the Brooch is a great piece with a ton of threat stats on it…but for progression fights, I’m taking what’s going to make life easier on my healers in the long run.
Since the Shadowmoon Insignia has been getting some criticism, I thought I’d weigh in my thoughts. I do think that the Commendation + Pocket Watch is generally the best combination for progression fights. However, the Insignia definitely has it’s place. I think the on use ability of the Insignia is slightly better than the passive proc of the Commendation, but I can see both arguments. I think where the Insignia comes in handy is for older, farm content where you comfortably meet the effective health minimums and don’t need the stamina from the Commendation. In that case, the Shadowmoon Insignia shines by giving about 3.5% of raw avoidance. That definitely makes it easier on the healers.
Great article though, Vene. Most of your assessments I thought were spot-on.
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May 13th, 2008 at 6:58 am
I can’t see replacing girdle of stability with the badge belt. Ever.
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May 13th, 2008 at 7:13 am
The avoidance is basically the same (34 def v 19 def & 18 dodge) You are loosing stamina. But you’re trading block value for hit rating AND expertise.
To me, you’re trading stamina for getting parried less. And getting parried is a bad thing. Even better, it lets you swap in Eternium shell, and Pendent of the titans, and keep up your hit rating and expertise.
Obviously, they’re the same ilvl, but I can’t see an advantage to using Stability on most fights, unless you’re hard up for stamina. Obviously BV for RoS, and bosses that can’t parry gib you’re better off Stability.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:20 am
When my SSO neck procs (scryer = +100 expertise), i’m way up the expertise cap (15%). That’s why I play with stability over badge belt. All i have to do is compensate a lack of hit with two +10 hit rating yellow gem.
Also i’m a SBV whore since i use the new meta on my T6 head and stability is the highes SBV belt in the game, period.
In regards to the mallet vs unbreakable will debate: i’d take the sword anytime since there’s no reason for a good tank to lack expertise with all those badge items these days.
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May 13th, 2008 at 8:55 am
Great great article. Love it. Keep up the good work, Vene.
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May 13th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Following what Zzed said, the reason I am not crazy about the badge belt is that I already have ‘enough’ expertise elsewhere so that I really don’t need to get more from the belt. Instead of getting expertise, I would rather wear the girdle which has more survivability (normally not a lot, but a little) when I am doing a progression fight. And since I was eager to get off the Effective Health bandwagon for Sunwell, I put avoidance gems in the Girdle so mine actually has a lot more avoidance than badge belt.
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May 13th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Honestly, I think most should start looking at the T6 Helm and Gloves a little sooner then later. Mostly I passed on the Gloves till my guild took down Archimonde and grabbed the Helmet off the first kill. I’m not gonna deny that the original T6 pieces are a bit odd in their design. Block Rating is a suspect stat to begin with but at least it should be coupled with Block Value. That method was used on T4 and T5 and it worked nicely. On T6 its just sucking up itemization points and reducing threat and/or survivability stats in the process.
Nevertheless, I146 is still a lot of points to play with and the Glove/Helm combo still provides a tonne of armour, good stamina and good avoidance. The gloves are relatively easy to obtain compared to Enforcement and the helm is still solid. Even if you have Impenetrable its still a very nice threat helmet. My guild often has Tankadins in the 2nd and 3rd tanking slots and the 2 piece bonus is helpful to them as well as myself.
Enforcement may be an exceptional piece of gear but its uniqueness has been diminished since 2.4. Its quite possible to get massive Expertise Skill without them. Even if it drops I would be hard pressed to insert it into my current threat set which uses 4 piece T5.
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May 13th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Unbreakable Will is better than Mallet of the Tides, it has 308 armor. The higher dps negates some of the threat gain from the mallets expertise.
Mallet is still a little better for threat, but Unbreakable Will is much better survivability with 308 armor and some defense. It youre over the expertise soft cap without a weapon, then Unbreakable will is the best choice, imo.
If your under the expertise soft cap, then mallet might still be better (Though the Brutalizer is clearly better than mallet).
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May 13th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
That’s a solid point Ivanstone…. the gloves definitely aren’t the unique snowflake they once were.
@Zzed: The SSO Neck is a good point. I actually keep forgetting to go buy the silly thing, I’m definitely starting to lean more towards using it since the Parry Cap seems to be grossly high. (57)
Note to Self: I really gotta look into threaded comments for this site… I think it’d make the comments section a whole lot more useful and fun.
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May 14th, 2008 at 2:09 am
Awesome, always picking up on the stuff that is relevant to me.
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May 15th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Would love to see this for ZA/SSC/TK with the basic assumption that the gear has to be better than badge gear to be worthwhile.
Lurker tonight, maybe I’ll get the mallet of Tides.
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admin reply on May 15, 2008 12:00 pm:
Sounds like I need to write another badge article
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May 15th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Sorry if I am being dense or am asking to be spoonfed.
I read the badge article but maybe I missed something. You say what are the top 10 BoJ items to get but does that mean they are better than the drops in SSC/TK/ZA? They are clearly better than Kara/Gruuls/Mags. I’m just trying to decide if I should see what I get in my SSC and ZA runs before spending badges. The badges are burning a hole in my pocket! 
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Veneretio reply on May 15, 2008 2:08 pm:
Nah, I think it’s a great idea and I was considering doing it a while back so you’ve only confirmed to me that there’s a desire for it.
BTW I love this new commenting system
(you guys can do it too by clicking reply!)
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