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	<title>Comments on: AOE Tanking: It really is your fault</title>
	<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/</link>
	<description>A guide to tanking as a warrior in world of warcraft</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Demoralyze</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-3523</link>
		<author>Demoralyze</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-3523</guid>
		<description>I currently have an "AOE" set of sorts on my warrior which uses the Sporeggar shield with a felsteel spike, I also have Honor's Call with Battlemaster on it (infrequent proc rate, but helps when it does all the same), using demoralizing shout, thunderclap and an Oil of Immolation on pulls similar to the one you describe in Magisters' Terrace

With speedy tab targeting/devastate once each on the mobs then rotating through again, I usually put up 2 focus fire targets to start with, then by the time they're down enough threat is built for AoE

Same method on the packs before Vexallus

It works out quite well for the most part, obviously greatly more effective with Salvation on the healer/DPS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I currently have an &#8220;AOE&#8221; set of sorts on my warrior which uses the Sporeggar shield with a felsteel spike, I also have Honor&#8217;s Call with Battlemaster on it (infrequent proc rate, but helps when it does all the same), using demoralizing shout, thunderclap and an Oil of Immolation on pulls similar to the one you describe in Magisters&#8217; Terrace</p>
<p>With speedy tab targeting/devastate once each on the mobs then rotating through again, I usually put up 2 focus fire targets to start with, then by the time they&#8217;re down enough threat is built for AoE</p>
<p>Same method on the packs before Vexallus</p>
<p>It works out quite well for the most part, obviously greatly more effective with Salvation on the healer/DPS</p>
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		<title>By: Arvernien</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-3165</link>
		<author>Arvernien</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-3165</guid>
		<description>I used the tips describe in here and my Magister's Terrace wyrm pulls are great now. My thanks to all of you.

I put on my maximum mitigation gear which puts me at about ~70% combined dodge, parry, block and miss.  I tell the healers and the AoE to do nothing until I am about about 30% health.  I start the pull, bloodrage, demo shout, thunderclap, cleave, tab, cleave, devastate, etc. Tab is a great option because you'll only end up with mobs in front of you.  When I'm at 30% the first heal lands and the mage or lock steps right up to me and starts the AoE. The mobs all die.  The healer takes no damage and the mage or lock takes a little bit depending on their +spell damage.  Once the AoE starts the healer switches to the AoE caster.

I don't burn any long cool downs and everyone moves on to the next bunch happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used the tips describe in here and my Magister&#8217;s Terrace wyrm pulls are great now. My thanks to all of you.</p>
<p>I put on my maximum mitigation gear which puts me at about ~70% combined dodge, parry, block and miss.  I tell the healers and the AoE to do nothing until I am about about 30% health.  I start the pull, bloodrage, demo shout, thunderclap, cleave, tab, cleave, devastate, etc. Tab is a great option because you&#8217;ll only end up with mobs in front of you.  When I&#8217;m at 30% the first heal lands and the mage or lock steps right up to me and starts the AoE. The mobs all die.  The healer takes no damage and the mage or lock takes a little bit depending on their +spell damage.  Once the AoE starts the healer switches to the AoE caster.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t burn any long cool downs and everyone moves on to the next bunch happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Evita</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2999</link>
		<author>Evita</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 04:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2999</guid>
		<description>I love you and I would marry you if my husband would not object so strenuously.  I am going to buy the Sporregar shield right now.  And I am going to stock back up on bombs.

I have a sneaking suspicion that I am really a bad tank in disguise, but helpful websites like yours make it easy for me to camouflage my disability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love you and I would marry you if my husband would not object so strenuously.  I am going to buy the Sporregar shield right now.  And I am going to stock back up on bombs.</p>
<p>I have a sneaking suspicion that I am really a bad tank in disguise, but helpful websites like yours make it easy for me to camouflage my disability.</p>
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		<title>By: Alkahn</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2711</link>
		<author>Alkahn</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2711</guid>
		<description>I don't usually post here but I just wanted to say that this post (and in particular the pointer to the Force Reactive Disk &#38; Dabiri's Enigma) was hugely helpful for me this past weekend.  I finally got the item made, got a shield spike on it, pulled out some bombs, and it made the difference in our dragonhawk strategy in ZA (was able to tank an entire side at a time, pali-style).

The net result was our guild's 2nd bear mount, with our pali tank unavailable - so thanks for this blog and the posts; it paid huge dividends for my guild :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t usually post here but I just wanted to say that this post (and in particular the pointer to the Force Reactive Disk &amp; Dabiri&#8217;s Enigma) was hugely helpful for me this past weekend.  I finally got the item made, got a shield spike on it, pulled out some bombs, and it made the difference in our dragonhawk strategy in ZA (was able to tank an entire side at a time, pali-style).</p>
<p>The net result was our guild&#8217;s 2nd bear mount, with our pali tank unavailable - so thanks for this blog and the posts; it paid huge dividends for my guild :).</p>
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		<title>By: Zork</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2541</link>
		<author>Zork</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 09:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2541</guid>
		<description>AOE tanking is not possible without giving the tank ~30seconds gathering the mobs using Sporregar Shield with spike and Figurine of the Collossus (for self heal and threat). 

There is only one situation where I do that:
When I am soloing hordes of dual wield mobs or in Magister's Terrace when I pull all the fishes at once and we AOE them down at once. 

DPS has to wait forever until you have enough threat.

We are not meant to do AOE tanking, so don't do it until you have to. It will make you freak out easily :). 

Well there is one Item in this game that allows warrios to AOE-tank, its the  force reactive disk. It blasts every mob in an area everytime you block but damages the shield. But the shield destroys itself pretty quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AOE tanking is not possible without giving the tank ~30seconds gathering the mobs using Sporregar Shield with spike and Figurine of the Collossus (for self heal and threat). </p>
<p>There is only one situation where I do that:<br />
When I am soloing hordes of dual wield mobs or in Magister&#8217;s Terrace when I pull all the fishes at once and we AOE them down at once. </p>
<p>DPS has to wait forever until you have enough threat.</p>
<p>We are not meant to do AOE tanking, so don&#8217;t do it until you have to. It will make you freak out easily :). </p>
<p>Well there is one Item in this game that allows warrios to AOE-tank, its the  force reactive disk. It blasts every mob in an area everytime you block but damages the shield. But the shield destroys itself pretty quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: flyte</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2537</link>
		<author>flyte</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 00:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2537</guid>
		<description>I think I sold my Dabiri's Enigma because it was 'only a blue' and it's a quest item and i'll never never never get it back now ... AARRRGGGG :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I sold my Dabiri&#8217;s Enigma because it was &#8216;only a blue&#8217; and it&#8217;s a quest item and i&#8217;ll never never never get it back now &#8230; AARRRGGGG <img src='http://www.tankingtips.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Thugthedum</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2536</link>
		<author>Thugthedum</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2536</guid>
		<description>Sporregar shield, Fel Iron shield spike, Figurine of the Colossus, Dabiri's Enigma, high defense, high block rating gear.

Demo shout, shield block, trinket up, shield block shield block shield block.

Back to the wall, healers heal me with pom only until the trinkets get me back to 100%.  The mage, warlock and rogue take a smoke break.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sporregar shield, Fel Iron shield spike, Figurine of the Colossus, Dabiri&#8217;s Enigma, high defense, high block rating gear.</p>
<p>Demo shout, shield block, trinket up, shield block shield block shield block.</p>
<p>Back to the wall, healers heal me with pom only until the trinkets get me back to 100%.  The mage, warlock and rogue take a smoke break.</p>
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		<title>By: Spaz</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2510</link>
		<author>Spaz</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2510</guid>
		<description>By your post, I'm not sure you're differentiating between multi-mob tanking and AOE tanking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By your post, I&#8217;m not sure you&#8217;re differentiating between multi-mob tanking and AOE tanking.</p>
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		<title>By: Hao</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2509</link>
		<author>Hao</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2509</guid>
		<description>Really?  I went in there once as a mage and a handful of times as a tank.  If teh mages start to go apes**t with arcane blast, they will almost certainly pull off you if you pull 2 groups of wyrms (and most likely you will even if you are careful).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  I went in there once as a mage and a handful of times as a tank.  If teh mages start to go apes**t with arcane blast, they will almost certainly pull off you if you pull 2 groups of wyrms (and most likely you will even if you are careful).</p>
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		<title>By: Zork</title>
		<link>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2507</link>
		<author>Zork</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.tankingtips.com/2008/06/02/aoe-tanking-it-really-is-your-fault/#comment-2507</guid>
		<description>Multi Mob tanking is no problem if:

- you use bloodrage after the "in combat" message
- the damage will be focused on one target
- the healer uses heals that will help the tank to build up threat

If there is a caster in the pull its perfect. Let the damage dealers take him out. Don't care about him. 

This is a plus, you have one mob less to tank and you have more time to tank the other mobs.

If there is only melees, no problem use the taunt-stun-taunt technique to make him stay next to you without actually tanking him. Instead you start tanking the second mob while thunderclapping the rest.

I cannot aggree with Veneretio that tabbing is useful while AOE-tanking. Thunderclap is far enough to hold as much mobs as you like (demo shout only once to debuff).

Tabbing makes you freak out, just focus on the second mob on the list and tank reaguarly while thunderclapping every 4.5 seconds and cleaving when possible.

You will have a huge threat lead on the seconds and you can swith to the third before the seconds dies. And so on until every mob is down.

The most important part is that you do not "tank" the first mob, have the damage dealers do it or taunt-stun-taunt it. If there is no focus damage you will not stay a chance, as said we are no paladins.

Thunderclap is enough to hold up against healing threat. If your casters want to AOE our only way to hold the mobs is to AOE-taunt inbetween.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Multi Mob tanking is no problem if:</p>
<p>- you use bloodrage after the &#8220;in combat&#8221; message<br />
- the damage will be focused on one target<br />
- the healer uses heals that will help the tank to build up threat</p>
<p>If there is a caster in the pull its perfect. Let the damage dealers take him out. Don&#8217;t care about him. </p>
<p>This is a plus, you have one mob less to tank and you have more time to tank the other mobs.</p>
<p>If there is only melees, no problem use the taunt-stun-taunt technique to make him stay next to you without actually tanking him. Instead you start tanking the second mob while thunderclapping the rest.</p>
<p>I cannot aggree with Veneretio that tabbing is useful while AOE-tanking. Thunderclap is far enough to hold as much mobs as you like (demo shout only once to debuff).</p>
<p>Tabbing makes you freak out, just focus on the second mob on the list and tank reaguarly while thunderclapping every 4.5 seconds and cleaving when possible.</p>
<p>You will have a huge threat lead on the seconds and you can swith to the third before the seconds dies. And so on until every mob is down.</p>
<p>The most important part is that you do not &#8220;tank&#8221; the first mob, have the damage dealers do it or taunt-stun-taunt it. If there is no focus damage you will not stay a chance, as said we are no paladins.</p>
<p>Thunderclap is enough to hold up against healing threat. If your casters want to AOE our only way to hold the mobs is to AOE-taunt inbetween.</p>
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