Comments on: Podcast #5: The Pizza is a Lie

By: admin

admin — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 22:35:52 +0000

Haha, don’t worry I’ve been accused of being worse things than a prima-donna and the hating on druids is purely entertainment value for the most part. (our raid runs 3 resto-druids) The frustrating part about Druids in 5 mans will always be that they don’t have an out of combat Rez which they should and isn’t there fault at all, but it’s reality.

Glad you enjoyed it, I definitely have to put out #6 some time soon.

By: John

John — Fri, 18 Jul 2008 21:56:28 +0000

Nice podcast. I like the way you ended up the tank comparison, and I would say the same thing goes for druid tanks - druids can tank any fight! Sure, some would work better than others for different classes, but after playing a druid tank for a fairly long time, I havent yet found a fight I couldn’t tank.

A lot of us favor druids because of their flexibility - dps like a rogue and tank like a warrior with one talent spec. Yes, I have empirical evidence that this is possible Warriors are specialized; druids are hybrids. But in a 25man, there are so many complex factors at play, constantly changing, that its very hard to insist that only certain classes can play certain fights - thats the joy of MMO.

Also, I wish more wow players would make a very clear distinction between the mechanics of a class as programmed by blizzard - which cannot be changed - and the person operating the controls. In my experience, that always makes the biggest difference in success, not the game mechanics, or even the gear.

So yes practice, practice, practice and you’ll be a great tank, no matter what your class.

Also, Blizzard’s design philosophy is to allow many options; not to force players to do it ONE and only one way. But… the insecurities of players lead to endless community discussions about needing the “right” tank for a particular fight. Kaplan commented once that when he logs on and sees people insisting in LFG on certain classes for an instance - well, he says they never designed the instance that way. But we all get into ruts.

Haha, I’m really careful not to break a CC until I want to. If I can tank all mobs at the same time, I wont mark a CC at all. I wont mark a CC and then break it prematurely. Have you ever dpsed with a tank who doesnt care about your CC? tbh, I think you’re a bit of a prima-donna tank-dude, and I’m not sure I’d enjoy dpsing with you (I hope you dont take that the wrong way, coz I kinda like your style too)

btw, the 5 man druid healing thing is BS. 5 mans are easy with any healing class. Once you start raiding that is - simply because the players are skilled and competent. Once again, who is the player pressing the keys?! Is he drunk? Is he watching tv? On the phone? Surfing porn? An arrogant loner 12year old? Come one, dont be so bigoted about certain class suitabilities.

By: venemous

venemous — Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:16:09 +0000

arent we about due for another pod cast Vene? One topic you could elaborate on is when the resto druid in your raid / group innervates the tank.

By: Zakalwe

Zakalwe — Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:37:15 +0000

In my former guild, we began occasionally applying a philosophy of CC known as FITE: F**k It, Tank Everything. I think it was coined really early in TBC when we finally had enough people with Kara keys, and we had started working on Moroes. We had only one Priest and she died to the first Garrote, and the bloody Ret Paladin add kept breaking my traps, so I had to do a lot of kiting, and not a lot of DPS.

Our raid leader just threw up his hands and said: “Aw, you know what? F**k it! TANK EVERYTHING!” I don’t think we used any CC but the occasional Shackle on Moroes after that.

By: Ghost

Ghost — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:04:23 +0000

warlock can recall succ to cancel seduce, then immediately reapply it, with the lag and stuff it usually reduces the gap to like 1 sec or so instead of 1.5 sec. Also a good lock make use of fear then seduce again. It really depends on who’s playing the lock, there is no compensation for a bad player. Just remember lock can cc all mobs except undead, fairly reliably.

By: Kinrain

Kinrain — Mon, 16 Jun 2008 23:24:26 +0000

Regarding the point that ‘You won’t see “the other tanks” tanking high level content’ Thats frankly untrue.

You used Fathom Lord Karathress as an example that a Warrior is perfect for. May I suggest you watch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mrc1ivr48R4
And see how a Paladin can tank FLK & all his adds at the same time?

Paladin tanks don’t compete with Warriors, we form a third of a well balanced tanking team with Warriors and Druids. I think its time we all moved away from the position that one tank class is generally better than another, its clearly wrong.

By: Vrathmat

Vrathmat — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:06:20 +0000

A few times in the past, I’ve liked to having hunters drop a trap just so I can have the option of dragging an add into one if things get a little chaotic and other cc fails.

By: Kachra

Kachra — Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:44:57 +0000

The thing that bothers me the most with hunter traps is actually just overcoming my instinct to shield slam a mob that’s running somewhere else. Most of the time hunters have to trap behind you, which means there’s a mob that looks like it’s gunning for my healer from the start of the pull. Even when I’ve marked it for a trap I still sometimes find myself taunting it and devastating because I’m reflexively trying to protect my healer.

I especially dislike ‘helpful’ hunters who trap things when I haven’t asked them to. Unless it’s an add or something that’s about to beat on a clothie; pulling aggro on purpose just to trap it really throws me for a loop. If I don’t know why a mob is running away from me, I’m definitely gonna get it back. I’d rather stop building threat on a dps target and let the rogue tank it (and possibly die), than let a mob make a successful break for my healer.

By: Veneretio

Veneretio — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 19:55:05 +0000

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By: Azgrimm

Azgrimm — Wed, 11 Jun 2008 08:19:26 +0000

Fair point. I was just getting riled from how you said it in the podcast. It must be a tank thing “I’m used to it this way so it must be the best way”. Rarely ever correct, but it certainly makes discussion more fun. And it helps generate comments about the podcast! Keep them coming.