Loading ...The Druid Complex
When I realized that I’d never wrote about this, it kind of shocked me. The Druid Complex is a term that I came up with way back in Vanilla WoW (that’s the level 60 version) after realizing a common trend among all Feral Druids that I ran with. They did a lot of unnecessary work. The old adage, “work smart not hard” comes to mind in particular in regards to this topic.
The Art of Unnecessary
It’s a pretty harsh label to throw on an entire spec even if it was many years ago, but at the time, it really was the case. Feral Druids always felt they had something to prove. All it took was a single mob among the numerous you were tanking to go running off and immediately you saw your kitty friend in Bear form pouncing after the mob. Never mind the fact that you’ve already thrown a taunt on this mob and he’s essentially just added to the confusion by stealing it away from you.
I Don’t Get It
What it amounts to is insecurity. Druids, back in the day, weren’t perceived as acceptable tanks, they weren’t perceived as acceptable DPSers either and as a result, any Druid that didn’t heal seemed to always play like they had something to prove. They always were trying to show off everything they were capable of doing rather than doing what they were suppose to be doing.
What’s this have to do with me?
A lot.
“Do what you Should not what you Can”
Think about that. Really think about it. You know why the best tanks have nothing to prove? Because that’s how they play.
Play like you have Nothing to Prove
Do what’s right, not what’s going to make you look cool. You see this all the time with DPSers trying to get top numbers and wiping the raid in the process by pulling agg. You see it in healers too that in trying to top the healing meters, they’ll end up not following their assignments properly and their tank will die.
Why this is really, really Relevant
You’re about to get a bunch of new abilities in a month and while certainly, we’ll all want to muck around with them to get a sense for how to use them… don’t do it too long. Don’t let it become a habit and certainly don’t just do it cause you can… do it because it makes sense to do it.
October 7th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
I’m not sure I agree about druids in the classic game. Druids were hybrids, and at least in instances good druids did a great job playing as hybrids. When there were adds, they tanked them. When healing was low, they healed.
That was a good thing! The concept that druids are not hybrids but instead a class that has to respec to do anything came later, sometime between endgame classic and BC.
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Imarieki reply on October 7, 2008 11:43 pm:
think this topic was more about the showing off and arrogance of most druid players than anything else lol
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Veneretio reply on October 8, 2008 6:09 am:
It was a lot of showing off, but it wasn’t arrogance. It was a need to feel useful. As I said in the post though, this was many years ago.
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Willowbear reply on October 8, 2008 6:26 am:
Thanks Ven for the clarification. I was never a pre-BC tank. I began tanking in BC because I hit 70 after BC was released. For me as a druid when I’m not tanking it is situational awareness. I’m not competing with the tank when I shift to bear form. I am doing so for several reasons:
1) Protect the healer/squishy. It doesn’t take too many hits in heroics before they go down.
2) Protect the tank. Yes. You read that right. There are times when the tank is really getting pounded and me jumping in not only saves him, but also the healer who might get agro because of the healing required to keep the tank up. Spreading the damage around can be a life saver.
I do agree that pulling agro just because you can is stupid. Tanks need to work together. I see this with tanks of all flavors. Stealing agro makes it difficult for the healers and for the dps that need to be positioned behind the tank.
Machus reply on October 8, 2008 7:56 am:
I’m all for this concept that players should do what the situation demands. Most of the time this will mean doing your primary/assigned job, but occasionally it’ll mean something else: Mages pulling or taunting (with an instant damage spell) off the healer. Tanks bandaging someone when not actively tanking. This is good play, while sitting there doing only your specific job is basic and unskilled.
Druids, shamans, and paladins have more scope to do situationally useful things. This is a fun and part of the concept of a hybrid. The shift from hybrids to overnight specialists that happened to these classes during BC may have been a necessity for raiding, but is pretty boring for 5-mans.
2ndNin reply on October 8, 2008 8:47 am:
Willow, in most Heroics, Raids and suchlike (at least as a Paladin) I know exactly what I can tank, and what the healers should be able to keep me up through, heck I went wiping in heroics for a week to learn it so I could make those decisions. Someone suddenly deciding I am taking too much damage and getting involved makes my life a nightmare as suddenly the constant spam heal on me becomes less, and unless you can take enough off me to change the spam heal to an interleaving then its a waste of time and likely gets me killed (I have died more times to a Druid / Warrior deciding to taunt than to misjudging a pull since I started heroics properly).
Protecting squishies, often thats not what you achieve, instead you waste my taunt / bubble on someone thats no longer on the aggro list, thats just annoying and undermines the tank, there are times you need to do it, there are times you should let the tank recover, taunt and tank is not the #1 option ever.
Frozen reply on October 11, 2008 11:24 pm:
i think your forgetting a very important situation. when the healers drop because of some idiot in kara pulling extra adds or tank gets dc’d and comes back to no heals and only a few dps. in that situation switching tanks can be greatly beneficial. one tank pulls off the other so he can bandage and so forth. try and buy enough time for the dps to finish off the mob. it might not affect other classes as much but i rarely see a pally heal himself or a druid able to drop form without being dropped. i find it a very useful practice in such a situation.
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October 8th, 2008 at 1:59 am
Warrior Tanks never have alot of competition, thats why they dont showoff.
It’s frustrating to see yourself using every ability possible to tank and a druid is probably hitting 2 keys too do same. Not only can he generate more threat in beginning, but can compete with top-dps just by tanking.
Hope the new abilities in wotlk will give us more TPS and AoE DPS.
Ones there are enough druids, blizz will nerf them(i hope).
I am curious if DK tanking will do.
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Mojin reply on October 8, 2008 5:44 am:
My experience, having a pre-raid 70 feral druid and prot warrior, is that druids trade the DPS they can do for the amount of healing they need. Druids, as a rule, need a lot more healing than my prot warrior thanks to the lack of blocking on the druid’s part.
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admin reply on October 8, 2008 6:13 am:
The post was in regards to level 60 druids and how they felt they needed to compensate b/c blizzard had slanted the game against them. That wasn’t nearly as much the case at 70, I found.
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Willowbear reply on October 8, 2008 6:14 am:
Jealous much? As a bear tank I don’t spend my time moaning why I don’t have an aoe threat ability (aka TC). I don’t spend my time moaning about my ability to handle magical damage. I don’t spend my time moaning about not having an emergency button (aka Last Stand). What I do spend my time doing is making the most of the talents I have and accepting what I don’t.
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admin reply on October 8, 2008 6:38 am:
Indeed making the most of what you’ve got is the approach I’ve always tried to push everyone to do on this site.
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Djiss reply on October 8, 2008 7:29 am:
I never feel threatened by Druid. We have druid tank and I’m still tanking most of the boss fight.
I never really moaned about ability Pally have. What made me feel sad was, even if I spend my time making the most of the talents I have and accepting what I don’t, other players just don’t care and will prefer what is easy for them. I did run Heroic SH multiple time, but people want a prot pally. I ran it as a healer with a prot pally, and it’s just cake. A bad pally can do better than an average warrior. That’s what many warrior moan about.
Comparing Warrior vs Paladin for “5man Tanking” is like comparing a sniper gun vs a rocket launcher.
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October 8th, 2008 at 4:11 am
Are we going to hear D***d bleeped out in the next podcast?
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admin reply on October 8, 2008 6:11 am:
Not likely, sorry
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October 8th, 2008 at 5:32 am
While the title of the article seems very anti-druid, I think Vene has a very good point that can be applied to any class and I think it’s quite clear.
Just do what makes sense!
If you’re a DPSer don’t pull aggro for the sake of your e-peen.
If you’re a healer don’t pull aggro to make the healing meter stink of you.
If you’re a CCer don’t CC something unless called to do so, I don’t know how many times I have intervene/taunt a target to intervene and then be met with an immune from a Cyclone.
And I think this is the big one for the readers of this blog, don’t steal aggro form the designated main tank just cause you think you are better then them!
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Veneretio reply on October 8, 2008 6:10 am:
Bingo!
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October 8th, 2008 at 7:15 am
I don’t know how many people are working on alts a lot more now with the expansion ahead, but the same can certainly apply to people who are generally level headed and really know how to get the job done on their primary toon, but can get pretty carried away when they hop on an alt.
( Seed of Corruption’s got my little warlock killed soooo many times! )
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Veneretio reply on October 8, 2008 7:35 am:
No matter how stupid I know that blinking away from the tank is… I still always do it on my mage. I also feel that pulling agg and Iceblocking is acceptable.
I’m just going to stick to tanking lewl.
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Machus reply on October 8, 2008 7:48 am:
On my mage I always blink forward. That changes the order from (me-mob-tank) to (mob-tank-me) along my line of sighht, and tanks usually taunt the mob correctly as a result.
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Sygvox reply on October 8, 2008 10:49 am:
haha, that’s what ice block is for, isn’t it? a free pass to pull agg? No, but seriously, what kills me is mages who frost nova instinctively after pulling aggro. The only time I’ve found frost nova to be useful (aside from true aoe pulls) is if the healer is getting nailed and the tank hasn’t noticed. That will at least buy them a few seconds of cc until I can sheep it or the tank gets time to pull it back (when I’m on my mage that is)
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Djiss reply on October 8, 2008 12:21 pm:
Since my main is a tank, every toon I play, I try to do what I expect other to do. Everytime I blink to the tank, I die. Somehow, the tank get caught off-guard anyway because he don’t expect me to blink to him. The only thing it change is he can’t call me nub for blinking away. He can blame me for pulling agro tho, lol.
Something which make me sad is not the amount of mage doing aoe, its the number of mage who do aoe but don’t know how to not die from it, specially when the tank is a warrior. They can die 20 time in row, they won’t learn anything from it and just blame the tank or giggle because of their massive dps.
F.Nova is good to lock mob around the tank before or at the moment you pull agro, not when they are close to the healer, you better just die instead of locking mob around the healer. When I started to tank, I had a friend F.Nova mob around me once I rounded them up, that gave me some extra sec to build agro on them. Now I do without it, but the moment, it was really useful.
Anyway, it’s not a topic about mage so…
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Hao reply on October 8, 2008 12:42 pm:
I have a 1k frost dmg mage and i do pull aggro occasionally. If i do, they already have the slowing from frost on them so i have more time to react. Then, I usually wait till the mob is next to the tank and I frost nova. If nobody’s next to the tank, the mob turns around and auto-targets the tank. I use iceblock, but since I’m frost, I have cold snap. Then I IB again if I have to.
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October 8th, 2008 at 8:01 am
Interesting post with good points. Though I think this is something that should be kept in mind for all classes and all situations, really.
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October 8th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Bears haven’t stopped doing it.
Thing is when a fury warrior pulls off a mob, its normally DPS / TPS based and you let em have it (either it comes back to you, or it dies), however so often I see a pull go slightly dodgy (AoE before consecration etc) and the Druids smash their bear buttons and go tank stuff, never mind that by doing so they mess up my taunts (3 target, 15s cooldown, bad bear), or bubbles. The choice to start tanking is a bad one for most Druids who seem to want to jump into the role and tank rather than accepting someone else in that role.
In many ways it is like 2 Paladins tanking together, you tank apart and don’t share, because if you try and “share” you end up with 1 tanking everything and the other useless. Having the ability to do something doesn’t mean you should ever use it, and often trying to use your abilities (I used to ask most mages to take frost nova off their bars when doing instances, cause they like to hit it to help). Typically assist abilities should only be deployed when there is a need, let the situation resolve a little before you start trying to solve it (sure you might be faster going bear and taunting than I am smashing consecrate, judging then taunting from the healer, but by going bear and taunting you made my taunt miss :P).
A good example is last night, I had a DPS cat (in resto gear), hit the Bear + taunt button and left me:
mana starved
with a dead druid
low on dps
So rather than a nice smooth run it became a nightmare, the Bearnecessities aren’t gone, they just moved slightly, in BT for instance I have never had a Warrior taunt mobs off me once they have finished, I do however have bears taunting off me each time, to “help reduce the damage you take”… when I was tanking them for the rest of the encounter, now have more healers on me, and keeping them on me lets me get enough damage to go into the next pull without drinking…
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October 8th, 2008 at 9:04 am
This is an excellent topic which I’ve often thought about in other aspects (non-druid specific). Good idea, which I’m so very likely to recycle for my own doing, =)
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admin reply on October 8, 2008 9:26 am:
WTH!? You started a blog and didn’t tell me! I’m going to be expecting you to post more now that I’m following
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October 8th, 2008 at 10:31 am
This week I’ve done Shattered Halls twice and had nearly every use of Challenging Shout ruined by a warlock or priest fearing. There’s a time and place for fear. It can be a type of CC and a good panic button too. But why does it always happen right after I use CS?
Oh well, Challenging shout is moving to a 5 minute cool down next week. It’ll be fun getting this ruined more often
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admin reply on October 8, 2008 11:48 am:
Yup, that’s exactly the type of thing I’m talking about. Ultimately, it comes down to not just proper use of your own abilities, but most importantly when working with others… letting them play their role. If you have to compensate for them always, they’ll never learn and they’ll likely resent you in the process too!
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Cleaved reply on October 10, 2008 1:31 am:
I don’t use cooldowns… ever… unless the boss is at LESS than 20%.
Why? Because healers and DPS don’t learn if you blow cooldowns early in a fight. I’d rather eat the repair bill and let someone know that they hafta stay on top of things the WHOLE fight… than make them think they are doing something right.
I trust my healers… to a fault. But it makes them, the DPS, and myself… better for it. Trust is a big part of gelling as a team… knowing when they are going to do something, and giving them the benefit of the doubt. If you run over and intervene and taunt or try to do too much… you’ll end up with teammates that have dull senses when its REALLY time to knuckle down. Even if they hafta die a few times to figure it out… they’ll be better off for it.
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October 8th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LZZVhtrgczidIzsGo
5% parry or 5% crit?
We are only 6 days away!
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Irghen reply on October 8, 2008 3:59 pm:
Both.
Dodging is for girls.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=LV0cZ0xZiIzrgcdidIzsGo
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Gravelayar reply on October 9, 2008 10:09 am:
Your link is at level 80. I’m looking at what to take next Tuesday at level 70. Skip 5% dodge? NEVER!
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October 8th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I’ve noticed a simlar trend among many rouges. In my expeiance as a tank, rogues mostly, but i see it ret pallies too, tend to ignore dps order, and i see alot of rogues do this to try and evasion tank a mob. Honestly i started noticeing it when the video of the rogue tanking gruul swept around my server about 3 months ago. Now all the rogues seem to think they can snatch aggro off me to solo and tank there own mob. Dunno how common this is on others servers, haveny played any but my main in some time, but on misha, it a VERY common issue with rogues in instances.
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Hao reply on October 9, 2008 11:10 am:
So true, had 2 rogues with HUGE epeens in our kara raid a couple of weeks back wanting to tank curator. Every Rogue i take into kara begs and pleads to evasion tank something.. So I tell him to evasion tank one of the aoe mobs before and after moroes.
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Hinenuitepo reply on October 9, 2008 11:37 am:
Notice how the rogues you’re discussing are in Kara
I’ve never encountered a rogue in the raiding guilds I’ve been in doing that - just not smart to try to evasion tank Brutallus lol
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Hao reply on October 10, 2008 1:31 pm:
Ya, the better rogues usually stay quiet and stealth from out of nowhere to take the top dps in teh recount charts. The ones with the epeens usually don’t fare too well.
October 8th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I couldn’t have said it better, Vene. I think, when I start raiding in WoLK, I’m going to link this thread to my guildmates as a reminder to do the right thing and have the right timing while doing it. I can’t even begin to count the number of times I (as MT) have died on Morogrim simply because one of my healers saw a DPS/AoE’er about to die out of the corner of their eye and decided to throw a HoT on them or something. They’re like “All I did was look away for a split second, and Gallin was dead!” Granted, it’s just a game…right? Right?
Anyway, yah…and the DPS flexing e-peen…that has to stop too. Too much damage too quickly does not help the group progress faster, as crazy as that sounds.
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October 8th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
I think dps and healing meters are the devil for this reason. Many many players in WoW today get huge egos over how high they can dps or that they can pull threat off the tank… well of course you can cause where we have to build our abilities up every fight(threat and rage) you just have a well to pull from and dish out(mana). The other downside is if your ego gets too big the tank will just let you die to make you learn your lesson. Everyone should be aware that groups are teams that are supposed to WORK TOGETHER to defeat the instance not try and be the star. Anyone ever notice how when no one sticks out the group flies through the instance and no one dies?
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mavfin reply on October 8, 2008 9:42 pm:
Yeah, you get a lot of people who haven’t really grokked the ‘teamwork’ thing. When you do get a group that understands, you can make some really fun stuff happen even when you screw up.
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Ruex reply on October 8, 2008 11:26 pm:
This is so true. When you are 100% sync’ed with your group you can really pull off some very interesting and wild Game play.
And the Use of Grokk Made my Night. Cheers.
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Draco reply on October 9, 2008 3:39 pm:
lol not following the grokk thing but w/e, horde thing?
Spaz reply on October 9, 2008 9:54 pm:
Horde thing? Nope. Robert A Heinlein thing. Stranger in a Strange Land. Book of the month for the Goodreads Sci-Fi & Fantasy book club.
Just coincidence I imagine.
Spaz reply on October 9, 2008 9:56 pm:
Oops. Here’s a good link.
Goodreads.com
October 8th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
It’s never a matter of ego for me or even a need to prove something. As a feral druid, I’m usually tanking. I’m blessed by the fact that if there is another tank, I can always go feral dps. This is in exact opposite for my prot war who can only tank and must leave the group if there are extra tanks. When I see a loose mob running, my first impulse always is to save the target, then realising I’m in cat form, no taunt! So its just habit to shift to bear and taunt the mob off.
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admin reply on October 8, 2008 10:38 pm:
As long as you’re adamant about picking up DPS gear, you can do perfectly acceptable DPS as prot with Devastate Spam. As to your impulse, it is the incorrect play. As the post indicates, just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you should.
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Kavtor reply on October 9, 2008 8:09 am:
It depends. Prot devastate is perfectly acceptable for farm content, where the time spent swapping someone out isn’t going to make up for the time gained in boss DPS. But it isn’t going to cut it on new content.
But I’d be careful about advocating dual wield devastate spam! They nail that coffin shut on tuesday! Gogo shield slam DPS!
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Veneretio reply on October 9, 2008 10:37 am:
Indeed, they do! Sword and Shield for DPS is going to be sweet!
Arvernien reply on October 9, 2008 11:00 am:
I’ve got one bag full of alternate tanking gear, one bag full of buff food, potions, elixirs and scrolls, and now I have a bag full of dps gear. Still when I equip all the dps gear (essentially heroic drops only) I can get only ~500 dps. It’s better than nothing but I can’t wait until the patch - I should see that go up quite a bit.
What range of dps do other tanks get in their dps gear?
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Darraxus reply on October 9, 2008 12:11 pm:
It depends on the situation, but I can do around 700 DPS in my dps gear with the ole devastate spam.
Draco reply on October 9, 2008 3:41 pm:
Are we talking 1h and shield in dps gear or 2h
Cleaved reply on October 10, 2008 1:19 am:
In my DPS gear the other night I got 2nd in DPS on Shade… granted its all from T5 level content, enchanted, etc… I don’t skimp on my off-spec gear, so if I hafta use it, I’m useful. Pulling 1k DPS in my DPS gear is possible with Raid Buffs. 800-900 is more the norm though, for me at least. I have 2x Vanir’s Fist as weapons and Badge/T5 level gear.
October 8th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Know your Role. Play as a Team. Don’t be a Dick.
I think that sums it up.
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October 9th, 2008 at 10:38 am
It’s funny you posted this. I have similar experiences with feral druids but it seems it has been only annoying enough to notice a trend after TBC was released.
“Feral druid syndrome” in my eyes is a feral druid that feels the need to pull aggro whenever they are not the designated tank, and then blame such aggro pulling on “auto attack” or “white damage”. I can’t tell you how many times I had Gruul pulled off of me by a druid going all out while I moved him into position only to hear him tell the raid “I was only auto attacking.” (The logs always show this to be a lie.)
Another thing they tend to do very well is talk about their stats. 70% dodge. 24k health? 3000 attack power? You will hear and know these stats every single raid you spend with the a druid afflicted with “Feral druid syndrome.”
Do you ever hear protection warriors spouting out these stats? Nope.
Maybe that will change with the incoming changes to protection warriors. Maybe we will be so excited about our new found power that we will feel the need to mention it in every group and raid we join. Maybe. But I doubt it.
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Draco reply on October 9, 2008 3:43 pm:
I know this is the taboo word but i find this particular pally tank in my guild that does this constantly. I got this gear and i do this kinda dmg and i can solo tank this raid blah blah blah
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koomo reply on October 10, 2008 4:12 am:
In such cases, it is important to praise the developers at Blizzard rather someone of such immense character, index finger skill and modesty.
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Cleaved reply on October 10, 2008 1:15 am:
I have the same issue as Zelgius. Them pulling threat by overdoing it.
As to stats and the like… I hear Droods do it, not so much Pallies. I don’t talk much about my stats… to the point that if anyone asks me about them, I hafta look to see what I’m currently sittin at. People seem to ooo and ahhh over Stats. I consider any stats good… if the Boss dies and we don’t lose half the raid in the process.
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October 9th, 2008 at 11:39 am
This was good stuff for me though in planning to go DK when I’ve had melee dps main, ranged dps raiding alt, healing alt but no tank exp. My DK will likely be dps/OT and I’ll have to learn when to pick up that screaming add and when to leave it alone. In beta I’ve pretty much tanked adds/boss when it’s part of the plan, or when the tank dies. I’ve only death gripped off the healer when the tank wasn’t doing anything to get the mob back.
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October 10th, 2008 at 1:05 am
I think Druids do have a lot to prove… to themselves. When you are simply a Bear… with no visible armor, no shield, etc… do you really “feel” like a Tank? Maybe I’m biased, as a Warrior, but it just fit right… visually.
As to getting new abilities… some of them are a bit over the top, and some don’t need to be used constantly. Focus more on getting GLYPHS. From what I’ve messed around with on the PTR, Glyphs can make your job tanking easier than any new Talent you are getting. Glyph of Revenge can negate the need to put points in Imp. Heroic Strike… and Glyph of Sunder (I think its called) applies a Sunder to a nearby target at the same time you Devastate the mob you have targeted.
The new abilities are nice… and very very overpowered. You no longer worry over a Sheep being broken… run forward, Shockwave (even the sheep) and Thunderclap, the Mage has 4 seconds of Stun-time to Re-sheep. Added benefit of the Sheep breaking and going right to you as well.
We can Charge in combat, use Mocking Blow in DEF Stance. We’re OP, and our jobs have gotten way too easy… but remember back when Talents for BC came out before the Expansion hit? Things were way easier then… but the difficulty scaled nicely as we got the actual new content. Get comfortable with these abilities… not complacent. Some of them will hafta be used in concert with other’s abilities in the near future.
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October 10th, 2008 at 6:47 am
There is one thing I want to add to the subject. I agree there is a “Druid Syndrome”, a player who want to show he can do it too. But sometime, it’s something else, I would call that the “Boyscout Syndrome”. I have it.
On my rogue, if there was a mob running to the healer, I would stunlock him in place til the tank pick him up, I would kick&LoS or blind a caster casting stuff on us. Same thing on my warrior when I wasn’t tanking, I was ready to pick up the loose mob, pummel/shieldbash the caster and break line of sight. I have my “Equip Shield” Macro since a long time, just for those times.
Guess what? When I leveled my druid, I did same. I wasn’t not trying to show off. But I rather look-like someone trying to show off than waste 10min to run back from grave yard. My primary goal is to end this run asap so I can start another run. With any of my toon, if I can do something to prevent a wipe, I will do it. If you can do something and don’t do it “because it’s not your job”, I don’t think you play as a team in that case.
A group/healer won’t complain when a shadow priest go out of shadowform and begin to heal if the run go bad, in fact, we keep encourage people who can heal to throw a heal if its needed. Why tank would complain if they get help when they need it?
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Veneretio reply on October 10, 2008 7:50 am:
…and there’s the fine line.
Why would a tank complain if they get help when they need it?
He or she wouldn’t, but the point here is that once it’s become a Complex, it’s habitual and constant. All of the situations you’re talking about aren’t helpful if the tank knows what they’re doing. If the tank is on his or her game… they actually hinder the tank. They force the tank to wait longer to position mobs, waste cooldowns and worst of all, become frustrate the tank which can really hinder their game play.
Sometimes… you really want to Shield Slam that Boyscout in the face
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megagrogan reply on October 12, 2008 1:44 pm:
yeah, those rogues that blind that caster when i’m about to spell reflect it… grrr
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Irghen reply on October 14, 2008 5:47 pm:
I for one heavily appreciate when people do this, it may be annoying to me, but it shows they are paying attention to what we’re doing and actually making an effort to succeed, not just droning behind mashing a /castsequence dps macro.
Your target got MCed? Get another! Mob Stunned? Skull him and time your conc blow so you don’t even have to tank it. I think this is why I’m such a lover of Imp. Bloodrage, just mash it and keep going, warbringer is gonna be awesome for all the same reasons
On the other hand, a real danger is that now your healer has to take care of several targets; so, if he tells you to stop you beter do it or you’re going to kick land.
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October 10th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I don,t think its possible to explain it better that. Perfectly stated.
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October 12th, 2008 at 8:58 pm
100% true.
I have seen this so many times.
They also have a problem with trying to, lets say, over tank. Stealing your marks, lose mobs or taunting just because you have more then one mob even tho you have situation under control.
Or, taunting off you if mob has special ability like roots/wing clip/sheep that makes him run alway form you but you don’t lose aggro and mob doesn’t change target. Often in this situation druids felt the need to taunt the mob just because it wasn’t close to original tank.
Don’t get me wrong, some warriors do this too. In my experience 10% of the warriors and 80% of the druids do this. Never raided much with paladins…
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October 13th, 2008 at 1:56 am
The druid-COMPLEX is, like stated before, appliable to all classes. Some more then others, but i think its speaks more about the person behind the keys then the class they are playing.
I have tons of examples of people taunting or pulling aggro when there is no need for it. As a casual player i’m a real Heroic-slut, and i had my biggest triomfs doing pugs ( i also crashed and burned many times more)But doing so many HC’s lately with people leveling there alt for Wotlk i see it more often. But is is true, that in those rare occasions, when every member is “just” doing what he is supposed to do and trust others to do the same. You almost fly through a instance, then you are really a team !
Btw Vene, i really enjoy your site and I learned alot from the many topic’s you posted and the comments on those post by fellow tanks.
For that, thank you !
Bhuda, Daggerspine
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