Loading ...Riddle me this: Who do you Vigilance?
Vigilance has to be the ability I have grown the most to love of those given to us in Wrath of the Lich King. It was so looked down upon at the onset of the expansion, so shunned and yet, it’s turned out to be one of the most multi-functional abilities in our arsenal. There’s a Disney movie in there somewhere albeit probably one that’ll go straight to DVD, but a Disney movie nonetheless.
Riddle Me This
Most of the time, it’s fairly obvious that a DPSer should be Vigilanced or that a Tank should be either for the Threat reduction or for the Damage reduction. Occasionally though, it’s not quite so straight forward which is where things get interesting.
Setting the Stage
You’re doing Gothik the Harvester with 24 of your buddies and you’ve been thrown on the Undead side. You’re stuck with that annoying, blue barred Paladin chap in your guild who’s threat is questionable at best. Your DPS team is a mixed bunch of Warlocks, Mages and Hunters (sorry, no Boomkins or any other non-pure ranged DPSers) along with a few healers that have shown themselves to be quite capable throughout your journey in Naxx25.
The Live side team chatters amongst each other for entirely too long considering we all know they’ve got the easy side and eventually decides they’ve argued enough to be considered prepared. Your crew stacks up in the corner as you and Captain Drink-a-lot position yourselves as far away from the ranged crew as possible. The Raid Leader calls for the pull and…
Wait!
Who do you Vigilance?
Good luck guys and gals. Give it some thought and once you’ve decided upon an answer feel free to leave a comment justifying your reasoning below.
My Answer: (In white text, highlight it to see it)
A Pet. You want to be able to Taunt stray mobs as much as possible in this wave-style encounter. You can’t Vigilance the Paladin since he needs all the threat he can get which leaves a Warlock or a Hunter’s pet as the natural choice.
June 28th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Just make sure it’s someone who’s on the same side as you. I’d probably go with whichever of the AErs is mostly likely to pull aggro. If you hadn’t specified all casters, I’d be going for the dps warrior or death knight dps if there was one.
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Kadomi reply on June 28, 2009 3:34 pm:
My very first Naxx raid I routinely put my Vigilance on our ret paladin. I was on dead side. She was on live side. All the mobs from live side came over to play with us. It was bizarre. I never used Vigilance on someone on the opposite side again.
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June 28th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I’d hit a mage honestly, if only because my other character is a mage and I know how they play
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June 28th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Yea my thoughts exactly, usually i roll with either Rogue, Warrior, Pally. One of those three Classes. But in a Aoe situation, my buddy (who is a lock) gets vigilance all the time. Albeit if it was a pull like Heigan, Id go with a hunter just cause the added threat from MD then i could quickly put Vig on a melee class when the pull is over.
This is one of the thing i have been arguing over with my Co-Raid Lead/Fellow Warrior Tank. Whether to put it on a Tank or Dpser. My Choice being the latter. Cause i figure better a dps stays alive like on Hodir then maybeput vig on a Tank during pulls like Auriaya.
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Vivilros reply on June 28, 2009 12:11 pm:
Added threat on MD? How does that work
I always assumed if you have Vigi on a hunter the Vigi threat is lost when he MDs?
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Tamuros reply on June 28, 2009 4:40 pm:
ive talked it over with our main hunter and way MD goes is
When Misdirection is active, ALL attacks that happen on a tick during which ANY attack happens are Misdirected. On next tick, the buff counter is reduced by the number of attacks that happened.
This means more than three targets can be affected, for example with Explosive Trap or Multi-Shot hitting multiple mobs at once. (Only the initial explosion damage is misdirected; the damage on next tick counts against the hunter again.)
thats from the Wowwiki link he told me to go lawl
btw he still does an insane amount of TPS even after MD and i have vig on him
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June 28th, 2009 at 11:30 am
I start off on one of the healers by default. Then I watch the threat meters and put it on anybody I have to intervene afterwords. It’s my responsibility to tank, not to tell anybody else how to dps. If Captain Drinks a great deal is consistently pulling threat off me then I suck. If he’s not watching his threat during pulls, it’s the raid leaders responsibility to address the issue
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Vivilros reply on June 28, 2009 11:30 pm:
I believe Captain Drinks-a-lot is supposed to be another tank
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Joseph R. reply on July 4, 2009 4:24 pm:
Even if he was another tank, I still wouldn’t do anything differently. It’s up to the raid leaders to address the situation if that’s the case
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June 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Very rarely would I take a pet over a dpser for vigilence. the pet just doesnt do the same kind of dps (read: threat) a dps class can do. In this scenario I would opt for a strong hitter (ms war or feral druid) that could do aoe if needed, could take a hit when aggro is ripped, and give me that refreshing taunt.
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June 28th, 2009 at 11:44 am
We only run 10’s but my normal OT is also a warrior, and we usually Vig each other for that fight. We’ve done it several times and not run into any instances where it felt like taunt was not up, or not resetting early via Vigilance, so it seems to work. Neither of us has threat issues, so it works.
Can’t really respond to the specific screnario laid out, as I don’t really know the dynamic on a 25-man.
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Stillballin reply on June 29, 2009 11:44 am:
I’ve always thrown Vig on my OT just so I can taunt as much as possible. There’s nothing worse than having taunt on cooldown.
Gothik is especially a fight where I put Vig on the other tank.
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Grido reply on July 2, 2009 9:03 am:
That’s what we do, we have 2 warrior tanks that give it to each other vig. That way each is getting the reduction in damage and taunt is always on cool down because we are both getting hit.
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June 28th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
I would Vigilance a mage in that scenario. I usually use Vigilance on warlocks for trash since soulshatter isn’t exactly a great threat dump and they do good AOE damage. Gothik’s trash gets killed so fast that DOTs don’t have a whole lot of time to tick, so I go for the big-blast mage instead.
In KT I put it on the other add tank, so I’ll have some threat on the other mobs if the other tank gets killed/MC’ed. In Sartherion + drakes I usually put it on the MT healer to reduce his/her tendency to draw adds that just spawned.
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June 28th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
While I can see the idea behind giving a pet vig on deadside Gothik, I would tend to go with a hard-hitting AoE happy mage as well. With dps like that, you’re bound to lose aggro on *something*, and you’ll want to be able to pull it off a valuable dps like that asap. When you run 10mans 99% of the time, everyone counts- you can’t afford to lose anyone. The same can be said for 25s, but to a lesser extent imho.
Good post
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June 28th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Depending on their DPS, I would be most likely to put it on a squishy mage. They seem to be the ones who can pull aggro in those situations and get punished for it. A DK or DPS warrior can take a few hits, squishy lillte mage on the other hand……
Putting it on a pet is something entirely new to me but at the same time it makes sense. Lately I have noticed our huntards pet is always picking up mobs on large AOE pulls etc. Certainly something to try out next time the situation arises.
I love these little tips you post up Vene. Good to have a few people thinking outside the box.
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June 28th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
I’d put it on the pally. Why? I’d rather put the buff on someone who is or should be getting hit regularly to refresh my taunt cooldown. Not the threat reasons, not the damage reduction. The taunt cooldown.
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June 28th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Well IMO, and you may think this is stupid, IF you think your DPS are going to pull alot, put it on the tank on the living side, then you have taunt constantly up, meaning you be able to keep everything off your dps, even though he will get 10% less threat he will still be fine. I only use vigi like this on certain fights, and i have found it quite usefull on XT 10 man hardmode, being able to taunt the sparks and all the mobs constantly is quite helpfull.
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June 28th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
excuse my ignorance.
But why would u put vig on the pet rather than the actual player??
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Veneretio reply on June 28, 2009 10:47 pm:
The mobs in the Gothik fight on the undead side all AOE. Putting Vigilance on a pet allows you to keep your taunt refreshed without reducing the Paladin’s threat.
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Cleaved reply on June 29, 2009 7:41 am:
The mobs AOE, so everyone gets hit with the AOE, I suppose you could put the Vigilance on anyone and get the same result of infinitely refreshing Taunts, eh? I suppose you are assuming the mobs never reach the ranged DPS and the Pet will be out there getting hit by them. We all stand in the middle, so everyone gets hit if an AOE goes off. I reckon in a corner-pile, the pet makes the most sense.
This is perhaps a worst case scenario, because this fight is trivial at best for most Raiders. If you are new to the content, this may help a lot, but I’m not sure how much. I’ve never had issues picking up the mobs, even when N10/25 was ‘new’ content to us.
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Veneretio reply on June 29, 2009 9:00 am:
Ya, it’s more of a cute thought exercise than something that’s actually going to be needed. (and I knew that this topic would open a lot of discussion on how people use Vigilance in general)
June 28th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Without reading yer response for the record
Has the be the pally. Free taunts FTW. I do it with a dk every time. Safest way to keep everything off squishies. Just taunt, tc, conc blow, shockwave larger packs … Works everytime. Aoe threat is a non-issue, something breaks ya taunt it.
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June 28th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
My answer: it doesn’t matter. All of the mobs die too quickly for it to make a difference for threat and I’ll be damned if I’ve ever had a problem picking stuff up on dead side without a taunt.
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Ben reply on June 29, 2009 10:37 am:
I agree with Hydrix, Vig is totally irrelevant in that fight. You could put it on the 1.3k dps shadow priest wearing quest greens you for some reason pugged.
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June 28th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
I usually vig the tank on the live side. Sure, you’ll hit points when they’ve got not mobs up and you do, but it will refresh (just like you can vig the tank in the tunnel for Thorim and get taunt refreshes in the arena). Pet is a good idea though.
Though I have to say, still not a fan of Vig. I’d love to get rid of it for something better.
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June 28th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
I don’t understand the hate towards vigilance. It is definitely an under-appreciated utility. The 3% damage reduction is amazing in the scenario where you don’t have a disc priest or prot pally. And 10% threat transfer? So delicious.
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tPaste reply on June 29, 2009 7:57 am:
My biggest problem with it is it doesn’t help with a key problem Prot warriors have: Damage. It’s a fact that prot warrior damage lags behind all other tanks in almost every scenario. So abilities that only increase threat but not damage put us further behind (the 5% more threat transfer glyph is a slap in the face). You site the 3% damage, but that’s not really all that useful. You can’t put it on yourself so if you’re MT you don’t get that benefit, often you shouldn’t put it on a different tank for the damage reduction because it inhibits their threat significantly (early attempts on Maly come to mind).
Also, even with Vig we still have threat problems. Especially AoE…and it’s significant.
Then there are fights like hodir (where you can’t predict which DPS will get the sexy threat buffs) and vezax (don’t get me started) where the talent just shows how truly bad it really is.
If you’re old school and only care about threat (and not how doing lower damage as a prot warrior HURTS YOUR RAID) then Vig might be something you really like…for me it’s a square tool that warriors keep trying to cram into a circular hole.
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tPaste reply on June 29, 2009 8:08 am:
When I said “You site the 3% damage,” that should have said “You site the 3% damage decrease,”
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June 28th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
As a tank, my usual buddy is the other Warrior tank rolling with us. He and I usually throw a vigilance on one another. Who else generates more threat, gets hit most?
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June 29th, 2009 at 1:55 am
Sorry Vene for wrong answer but:
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Since first days we stopped splitting people on Gothik (takes more time then actual fight), we just fight them all on living side, after first Rider is down on living side - gates will open and many undead will start pouring in… all aoe on doors with traps… using cooldowns and stuff… That’s critical moment and after that is all in general one tank to the left - tanking living and one tank tanking right side undeads that are comming… Gothic comes in and we kill him in just few secs.
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On a different note I’m looking for an addon that will work like old whisper buff cast for paladins. I would love to have my dpsers make macro to whisper me with vigilance request so I can only press one button and they have it.
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June 29th, 2009 at 5:59 am
I miss whisper cast
I would put it on the pally; what ever he drops I can taunt, and I’ve never seen a pally with threat problems on UD side.
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June 29th, 2009 at 6:45 am
Well first and for most Vigilance is not a threat reducation it is a transfer. Secondly good tanks will threat jump on fights were there could be a number of people going up and down on threat. Secondly it all depends on the fight for instance Kologran you wanna put your Vigilance on the tank with you on the body. Bosses like Hodir there can a number of players up and down on the threat you want to start off on the hunters mostly because locks take a little bit of time to climb unless you have bad Hunters. then you want to move on to feral druids/dk’s after first flash freeze. when that flash freeze is over get ready to place it on the lock by this time he or she should be way up there on threat. As far as Gothik if you are on the dead side it should be on either Ret pally/dk with death and decay down. In rare situations you would put it on a healer due to healing aggro but that is in a rare case. If you have a talented bunch of players with you I have done this in certain situation have a DK go frost presents and put Vigilance on them when they catch up to you which will happen quickly tell them to switch out and put your Vigilance on the next highest threat player. Please do not go over board with the spelling and bad grammar I hope you get the point thats more important
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June 29th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Really? You love Vigilance more than Shockwave?
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Veneretio reply on June 29, 2009 8:58 am:
Now now, I never said that.
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Rak reply on June 29, 2009 9:28 am:
“Vigilance has to be the ability I have grown the most to love of those given to us in Wrath of the Lich King.”
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Veneretio reply on June 29, 2009 9:48 am:
That’s my screwed up way of saying my opinion of Vigilance has improved the most of any ability added with WotLK. Basically, I thought it was lame and now I like it. I always thought Shockwave was cool so there really was no potential growth there.
Rak reply on June 29, 2009 10:12 am:
I thought maybe you’d say that. But it’s painful to read, let alone comprehend what you meant =P
June 29th, 2009 at 7:35 am
I am often paired with another Warrior tank in our raids. If I am, we trade Vigilance on fights where we both take heavy damage. This gives us not only a larger damage reduction, but we negate the threat transfer. Also, if both of us are tanking, usually it’s a fight where we both have to taunt the Boss off each other, or are tanking lots of Adds (one of us). In this case, having Vigilance on each other works out great… we get infinite taunting to use on trash or the boss. You KNOW that the other tank is going to be taking hits, so you get a constant taunt-refresh. If you are tanking trash, you can have 1 taunt per GCD per mob. No worries over Diminishing Returns because you can taunt each mob individually.
If we are just doing regular content and not using 2 tanks, I never put my Vigilance on the Pally tank with us. It does not stack/work with their Blessing of Sanctuary. At least… sometimes it appears to, not sure. Sometimes I put it on him, and it erases his BoSanc, or he puts up BoSanc after I Vigilance and it allows him to have both buff icons, but I’m never sure its working.
Instead of the other Tank, on a DPS race fight, I’ll just pick a high DPS that I know is prone to pull aggro. Whether its from not paying attention or that they have badass gear… really doesn’t matter. If they take a hit, I get a taunt, if they amp up their Threat, I get a cut of it.
I’ve never put Vigilance on a Pet, but have not had much need to. I like trading with another Warrior or a high-DPS class. I’ve noticed that Arms Warriors are prone to dying quickly on Trash pulls and Trash mobs on boss fights when they Bladestorm a little early (i.e. Right after I hit Mob A, they Bladestorm). For this reason, I put Vigilance on an Arms Warrior and go taunt-crazy trying to keep them from dying =P I do this less and less, as they have learned to play Arms a little better; as it is a little new to most Warriors since PVE Arms was made more viable recently.
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PieterB reply on June 30, 2009 6:41 am:
Note: it only negates the threat transfer if you’re both doing the same threat to a mob.
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Cleaved reply on July 1, 2009 5:39 am:
Yes, if we are switching up on the same boss, this is why we trade it off. If we are both on add duty or something, we still keep it on each other to get the constantly-refreshing taunts. We get the added bonus of reduced damage.
On fights where we have a DK tank (Hodir/Council) just to make things easier, I put it on the DK to reduce his damage taken. I don’t really care about the threat transfer here, because I won’t be on the same mob(s) as the DK.
Vigilance is very situational and it’s good to know when to use it in every situation. Keeping in mind that your vigilance target may change on each different fight, or based on raid-setup.
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June 29th, 2009 at 8:51 am
What me and my friend did on live side back when i went into naxx was bounced our Vig off each other if we’re both warriors, that way no one looses threat, there’s less damage going around, and you know it means infinite taunts.
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June 29th, 2009 at 10:43 am
It really varies by fight for me.
For heavy aoe stuff, I hit a warlock. Single target, rogue.
bosses that spawn adds, the RF holy pally.
fights where MT gets a huge threat lead. The MT about 30 seconds into the fight.
Loatheb, a hunter pet since they do not get the buff.
I personally avoid putting it on classes with no aggro dumps since I will get less threat from them.
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June 29th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I Vig my wife the fire mage. Max raid efficiency isn’t everything.
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Veneretio reply on June 29, 2009 1:59 pm:
Haha, true enough. After all, it doesn’t matter who the “right” Vigilance target is if your wife decides that you aren’t allowed to play anymore
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June 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
I absolutely vig a mage and tell em to aoe as much as humanly possible.
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Cleaved reply on June 29, 2009 1:48 pm:
I wish we could get back to the single-target DPS and marking style of play. It was that way again in Ulduar for about 2-3 weeks. Then we figured out how all the mobs work and got some better gear, and it became “Pull them all, AOE them all, GG” again.
It is fun watching Paladins die when you accidentally pull too much though. We pulled 2 groups of adds at the same time in U25 (General’s Room) and we killed them all and lost 2 people. One was the Pally tank, and the other was that Pally Tank’s healer. Why? Because their “I will AOE and pickup threat on everything” ability… kills them when we over-pull. Warriors, however, have 4 stuns in the bag and intervene/taunt to save our healers. Not to mention extra stuns and such with Charging/Intercepting as well as moving and keeping some hits off us.
I have started playing my Ret Pally a lot more, and dual spec’d him to Prot. It is very very very annoying to tank with so little mobility. If you go Warrior —> Paladin, you feel as if everything moves at high speed and you have boots made of lead. I feel like a rocket-powered mean green machine, when I go from Paladin —> Orc Warrior
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Froggychaos reply on June 30, 2009 7:32 am:
I also have done after a wipe on gothik from healer dieing vig’d the healer here just to be safe.
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June 29th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
i vig who ever pulls threat, or is tickling me on omen, but really if no one is really close, which is frequently the case, i forget i have the talent, but i generally have attitude: dont tank trainees, if the dps cant 2-shot them before they hit the healers, were in trouble anyways
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June 29th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Usually the trigger happy warlock, but I usually tell everyone I don’t taunt. Amazingly it seems to cut down on people dpsing after the mob gets hit 20 yards out with a heroic throw.
Is the pet really grabbing aggro on that many mobs for it to be worth it, or are the pets assigned to go for the little guys first?
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Veneretio reply on June 30, 2009 6:15 am:
The adds on the undead side all AOE. The AOE hitting the pets triggers Taunt. The Pet never has to pull aggro to refresh the Taunt cooldown.
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Krakbak reply on June 30, 2009 7:41 am:
Not to mention pets are good at avoiding AOE so the chances of the vigilance staying up are increased for more taunts.
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June 30th, 2009 at 2:22 am
I am using a tricky thing.A good friend of mine is playing a mage and we made a pact that he will get Vigilance because he does around 7 k tps and always has to get hand of salvation.This way a big part of my tps is pulled from this.The beauty is that even if he aggro he has ice block giving me time to restore order(a few time i let him die just for the fun).
To be sure he will always get it i made a macro and put my alert on smartbuffs.This way i am sure he always has it at every pull.
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June 30th, 2009 at 3:14 am
It doesn’t matter because it’s Gothikk >_>
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June 30th, 2009 at 7:38 am
I always put it on the healer healing me.
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June 30th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Fights with adds, I just about always ask for it to be put on the fury warrior or unholy DK.
These classes can’t avoid their AOE DPS, and to boot they don’t have a threat dump like mages/hunters/rogues do.
There are still times where you put it on another tank, or on another class (resto druids if they’re pulling threat on newly spawned mobs from healing, rogues in the arena on Thorim if they’re chaining FoK for interrupts, mages on Hodir hardmode attempts).
But 9 times out of 10, it goes on a fury warrior.
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June 30th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Personally, in all but the most odd situations, I go for either our Arms warrior or Shadow priest - both do large amounts of damage (obviously), but the warrior has nothing to limit it with and the priest does more if he’s using Vampiric Embrace.
For Gothik, I give it to the healer - little less damage and a taunt cooldown is nice. DPS can take care of themselves, damn it.
“You yank it, you tank it.”
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June 30th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
neat idea for free taunts, but i’m not sure i would use it on gothik - i just rarely finding myself using taunt in that fight. between warbringer, heroic throw, and the usual TC/SW, most stuff is dead by the time someone has a chance to pull agro.
i’d still stick with the highest threat aoe class.
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June 30th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Neat idea.
I’ve never even thought about throwing Vig on a pet before.
It would be on Mage or Lock here.
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July 1st, 2009 at 9:53 am
IMO if the whole raid is going to be taking damage then the taunt refresh portion of the ability is a non issue becuase you know your taunt will always be ready. At that point I just look at the encounter and choose what has better priority between damage reduction for 1 player, or a threat transfer. In most cases I normally just throw it on the person I most want to keep alive (i.e. my healer) since I normally don’t have problems holding agro.
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July 2nd, 2009 at 6:09 am
I usually Vig the MT. I’m normally on add duty but often called on to “pick up the Boss.. NOW!!!!!” lol so having the “built in” threat is nice…
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Veneretio reply on July 2, 2009 7:04 am:
Outside of a few exceptions such as Kologarn where threat isn’t an issue, this is generally not the correct play. You’re taking away 10% of your Main Tank’s threat. That’s not a trivial amount. Furthermore, the built in threat accomplishes nothing since if you have to pick up the boss, you’ll be taunting in which case it doesn’t matter how much threat you had before hand.
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Verata reply on July 7, 2009 11:42 am:
Thats why I like Tanking Tips… I shows me what I may be doing wrong.. “MT… No Vig/soup for you” lol thanks for the tip
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July 2nd, 2009 at 8:26 am
In a messy fight, put it on someone with a fade ability (mage, warlock, hunter, maybe others) so that when they overaggro a mob and fade the mob may go to you in the first place instead of a healer.
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July 2nd, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I think it would be neat if you could vig yourself at the cost of 10% threat (it’s not transfered, it’s lost).
I’d love 3% damage reduction when I dont have BoSanc around, and in certain fights (most fights, really) it’d be worth it.
Just a little extra flavor to our 31-point ability.
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Veneretio reply on July 2, 2009 12:36 pm:
Ya, I really like that. A nice little extra touch that wouldn’t make the ability OP, it would just give us another choice to consider when utilizing the ability.
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July 2nd, 2009 at 8:51 pm
I actually use a cheeky macro that taunts my target, intervenes on my target’s target (assuming range is ok), and (if GCD isn’t timing) vig’s the target’s target. (stopped doing this as often as it over-writes Bless of Sanct, which annoys my pally tank partner)
Lazy tanking FTL!
The idea being that if my taunt misses/fails/is resisted and the intervene isn’t enough to cap the other person’s threat, then the vig will auto refresh my taunt for a second try.
Also works nicely if the person is a real threat whore (particularly after threat dumps, other tank death, fresh adds spawning in the middle of the AOE). Eventually I’ll pop the target with a taunt, and a shield slam stopping said threat whore from overtaking me (again).
So. Answer to the question. I don’t Vig anyone in particular normally. Just have my Vig flying around as needed. I will often move it mid fight to top threat dps just cause I can.
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July 3rd, 2009 at 10:25 am
I don’t agree with your answer. Taunt > threat on this fight so I would vig the pally. Most of the time the mobs will be dead before your taunt debuff wears off. Basically it’s whoever you think is going to be getting hit the most often other than you. And your answer does not meet that criterion.
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Chet reply on July 3, 2009 10:51 am:
but the problem is then the pally is essentially ineffective. In the scenario the paladin is mediocre at best, so there’s a chance that if you take 10% of his threat, he’ll end up getting hit even less than the DPS he’s covering, which kind of negates your argument. I’m a 10 man raider, so I don’t really have the whole picture, but in 10 man, even with a good tank (I like to think so anyway), the DPS can handle the little guys without you, and probably will even if you don’t want them to. This means if you pick one that will be hit a lot (I like Vene’s idea, haven’t tested it though), then when the big ones start cropping up that need to be tanked, you shouldn’t have any trouble keeping them on you.
This leaves your paladin the ability to at least tank something without DPS having serious threat capping issues.
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July 10th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Best target would be a Frostfire Bolt Spec mage if you have one, their tps it rediculous! not only are you getting a lot more threat but it allows the FFB mage to lengthen his rotation putting out some serious dps before he has to wait for his long invis fade.
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August 30th, 2009 at 7:59 am
As a former Warr tank, who switched factions and rolled a DK tank, If a Warr put Vig on me as OT in a fight I would be sure to click it off. If you are that terribad at threat gen then please re-roll. There is only one fight where i ask for Vig and thats Sarth+3 when I am MTin it to help with breaths. Let me assure you this isnt a bash warr post, thinking about going back to my warr cuz my face is starting to hurt
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